Godol Rabbi Pinchas Scheinberg: If He Did Not Penetrate The Boy, There Is NO Sex Abuse According To The Torah

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Rabbi Yehuda Kolko, outside his Brooklyn home. (Photo: Christopher Anderson)



The Rabbi Yehuda Kolko child sexual abuse lawsuit has hit the big time, and so has the man most responsible for bringing this creep to justice: Unorthodox Jew. The New York Magazine has a long feature on man-on-boy sex abuse in the haredi community.

Highlights:

1. Rabbi Pinchas Scheinberg, a now senile ‘gadol’ living in Jerusalem, was brought in during an earlier crisis in the 1980s by Kolko’s backers to scare off the accusers and their families. Scheinberg allegedly told the families that, if Rabbi Kolko did not penetrate your son, it is not abuse according to the Torah, and pulicly exposing Rabbi Kolko violates the laws of lashon hara, and you must not do it.

2. Abuse is so widespread that Hella Winston, author of the Unchosen, met dozens of haredi men who were abused or who knew someone who was.

3. Gedolim, including Rabbi Scheinberg, have allegedly been covering up this abuse for years.

4. Both Agudath Yisroel and Torah U’Mesora are alleged to be part of the coverup.

5. The Brooklyn Attorney General defers to local beit dins, and fails to prosecute haredi abusers.

6.The beit dins themselves are corrupt.

7. Chabad advocates for sexual abuse victims have been prevented from making presentations in Chabad yeshivot.

8. A Chabad man-on-boy abuse victim is quoted in the article.

9. The laws of mesira (informing), lashon hara (talebearing) and hillul Hashem (desecration of God’s name) are frequently cited by rabbis, including gedolim, to silence accusers and victims.

10. The community does not protect its children from predatory rabbis.

I ask readers in Jerusalem to do the right thing. Go to Rabbi Scheinberg’s yeshiva in Mattersdorf and demand an answer. Anything less than a complete apology, spit in the senile bastard’s face.

Kol HaKavod to UnOrthodoxJew for risking everything to bring down these creeps. You have saved lives.

Please read the entire article before posting any comments. Thank you.

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65 responses to “Godol Rabbi Pinchas Scheinberg: If He Did Not Penetrate The Boy, There Is NO Sex Abuse According To The Torah

  1. That’s absolutely horrid. And it’s even more horrid that people who are supposed to be authority figures and shepherds of the community turn a blind eye. Scattered sheep indeed. And they wonder why there are so many Yehudim who opt to remain part of the heterdox movements rather than become haredim.

  2. Nigritude Ultramarine

    Amanda, not everyone who is Orthodox is haredi.

  3. Not Lashon Hara

    As to why reporting abusers is not lashon hara or mesirah, see 2 articles by Rabbi Dratch on the http://www.JSafe.org website: “Let Them Talk: The Mitzvah to Speak Lashon Hara” at
    http://jsafe.org/pdfs/Lashon%20Hara%20and%20Abuse.pdf

    and
    “The 411 on 911: Reporting Jewish Abusers to the Civil Authorities” at
    http://jsafe.org/pdfs/mesirah.pdf

  4. Inconsistent

    If he is senile, why would you spit in his face?

  5. steve weiss

    So here’s the million dollar question (assuming you can beleive anything you read in NYMag, which is not a clear cut question):

    does the fact that UOJ might have been right in this one instance justify the dozens of others he’s maligned without any real cause? Is this different from the death penalty where some argue that the cost of one innocent life is not worth teh tne guilty people it puts away? Should we really institute a shoot first ask questions later approach so typical of the current administration as well as the witch hunts currently sweeping the J-blogworld where guilt is assumed and spread like wildfie, and is occasionally correct? Does a 1/10 (which is essentially UOJ’s record) success rate justify the other 9 poeple he’s smeared (ranging form paul reichman to nosson scherman to marvin hier to the gerrer rebbe?) without evidence or cause?

    I think we need to determine whether a man who does some good in the midst of much bad is a hero or merely lucky.

    I vote the latter, since I’m still thoroughly distgusted with UOJ’s personal attacks on everyone in a position of more power or wealth than he has from behind the veil of anonymity (along with his buddy JWB).

    Also, this NYMag piece was somewhat lacking in hard investigation. I detect a paucity of real quoted sources. There’s one person making accusations, and everyone else is again, quoted from behind a veil of anonymity.

  6. Well, you’re either a liar or a fool.

    1. One of Kalko’s accusers went public and is featured in the story.

    2. Several rabbis are quoted by name.

    Youu see, Stevie, before publication, NY Magazine had to vet the article with their libel attornies, and several editors had to vet the piece and had to confirm each unnamed source as well as the named ones.

    Your community is sick. Try healing it.

  7. Anonymous

    Why is your tone so much more deferential when it comes to the Gafni article where the alleged cover-up persons are Jewish Renewal and Modern Orthodox. Gafni was an admitted unrepentant abuser. Where is your call to go to Rabbi Saul Berman and demand an answer?
    Why does your condemnation call for an examination of “individual circumstances,”
    in one case and not the other?

    Why the double standard?

    As for the Chafetz Chaim, he never (obviously) gave any of the psaks that you complain about. He wrote a sefer, which I and apparently you, have never read. I, because I have not, and you, because you never cite a page or particular quote which supports these rulings.

    Even if he did write something that could support alleged coverups, that does not make him responsible for what, unfortunately, appears to go on now. Every posek is responsible to apply Halachah according to the circumstances and is responsible for his own rulings.

    Why be misapher acher hames against a Gadol and tzadik who was respected by all Klal Yisroel and has nothing to do with anything what you are complaining about.

    How does it advance your cause?

    Also, if you study the matter, almost nobody knew how bad things were in Europe until even after it was well under way. How could you expect the Chafetz Chaim to predict the future? Was he to have predicted that not only the rise of Hitler, yimach shimo, but also that the French and British would miss evey opportunity to stop him?

    Was he a Navi?

    Jabotinsky did warn against staying in Europe, but he was a lone voice, and I seriously doubt that he thought events could be as horrible as they transpired.

  8. Yochanan Lavie

    I am sad, but not shocked. A friend of mine from college was an ex-Bobov who was abused as a child. He was a punk rocker, and self-destructing with sex and drugs. Eventually he got his life together and even returned to observance. But how many out there don’t recover?

  9. Apples and Oranges

    An individual posted “Why is your tone so much more deferential when it comes to the Gafni article where the alleged cover-up persons are Jewish Renewal and Modern Orthodox. Gafni was an admitted unrepentant abuser”

    How can one compare the Menuval Movement with Orthdoxy. The Renewal Movement is built around znus and avoda zara. The guru, Soloman Schachter, may this destroyer’s name be erased, encourages his bar mitzah charges to masterbate as part of oneg shabbas. Another leader wants to open up Jewish marriage to include other loving couples, in other words to permit wife swapping. This is the world Gafni inhabits. i

  10. der kugelager

    exposing those creeps from within the community, is pure qidush hashem.
    covering up for them , is nothing but chillul hashem.
    a big yasher koyech to shmarya.
    as to those complaining, sheim reshoeem yirqov!

  11. steve weiss

    I’m neither a liar nor a fool (and stevie’s a bit familiar for your tone of voice, thank you). However, I think you should consider the following points:

    1) not everything reported on in the news is the truth, regardless of how bad it makes the dominant majority appear. that goes for the nymag as well as it does the yated. NY mag’s libel lawyers were no doubt instrumental in making sure there were no actionable statements, but as their usual approach to scandals is to use vague enough terms to avoid a lawsuit, but tittilating enough to sell copies, I don’t beleive their vetting adds an imprimatur of credibility to a publication that’s nothing more than a better written NY Post. And so, I think that people who have not investigated this matter (ie: me, and possibly you – after all, have YOU spoken to the involved parties first hand? Or are you merely beleiving the worst based on what you read because it involves authority and sex?)

    2) whether or not kolko’s guilty (and I dont know one way or the other, since I wasnt there, and certainly have not investigtated the fact myself) the question I asked was more basic: does the one molester netted justify the tens of innocent people accused by UOJ and his ilk? or do you beleive that all his accusations are grounded and justified? That all his rants are acceptable? At heart is the same question that is addressed by liberal death penalty opponents – is the punishment of the guilty worth the execution of the innocent? I think that once you ruin people’s names, its tantamount to killing them, and NOT just because it says so in the talmud.

    To answer my own question, I think that people like UOJ are shooting arrows blindly. Some hit, others miss but cause collateral damage.

    finally, 3) your name is available to all. So is kolker’s and so is the victim’s. What about UOJ? Is he a hypocrite saying please, bravely expose your pain, but I’ll remain safe in my armchair free to smear again? Should he be at liberty to accuse all and sundry of whatever he feels like in his self-righteous tone without any fear of his own accountabilty except in teh nebulous world of blogs?

    I’m sorry, but I feel that you can champion a good cause while also being a scoundrel. Until UOJ acts in a responsible manner, I dont think his ends justify his means.

    Shmarya, my community may be sick, but you dont cut off a healthy arm because you beleive the patient has a heart problem. I’m all for healing the illness but not at the uneccesary cost of the patient’s life.

    If you disagree, please, tell me, how do you justify the personal and outrageous personal attacks these people make on so many without any real evidence aside from what they read in scandal sheets and gossip columns.
    Please, do not allow your quest for justice to become an all out witch hunt where the innocent are burned in greater proportion to the guilty.
    After all, Judaism’s position has ever been that even damning evidence is subject to a strict and often impassable standard of confirmation that goes well beyond the shoddy investigation that characterized most of UOJ’s attacks.

  12. Process:

    1. I have known about this story for a year.

    2. I have communicated with a victim.

    3. I have communicated with UOJ.

    4. I could not confirm the story myself. I dod not have the resources to do. That is why I did not print it then.

    5. “does the one molester netted justify the tens of innocent people accused by UOJ and his ilk? “

    How do YOU know you are not accusing an innocent man?

    6. Kolko’s is by many accounts a serial abuser sheltered by the haredi world and left to abuse more children.

    7. You assume “no real evidence.” Victims’ testimony IS evidence. So is the behavior of those seeking to silence it.

    8. Why no sympathy for the boys Kolko allegedly abused? You assume they are lying. But YOU have no evidence.

  13. steve weiss

    Shmarya –

    you write one post ago:”This type of specious reasoning lies at the core of today’s haredi thought. It is this lack of emmes (truth), this idea that almost any means is justified by the ends sought, that characterizes haredism. The Torah commands us to flee from falsehood. Today, more than any other time in our history, that means fleeing from our rabbinical leaders.”

    But you engage in the same sort of specious reasoning. UOJ prints people’s names and says they are guilty (with a minimum of investigation) of just about anything under the sun. I point out that a nameless blogger does so. QED, I am accusing an innocent man? There’s a logical flaw there – I’m accusing him only of accusing the innocent – you cant then turn around and accuse me of accusing an innocent man since who knows if he’s innocent. In simpler terms, he acted first by accusing people of doing things they havent, I’m responding by saying that he’s wrong for doing so. I’d only be accusing him without cause if I said dont listen to him, he’s a child molester himself, without a shred of evidence.

    But all this wrangling obscures the point. My argument here is not about kolko, at it heart. It is about the worship of UOJ since this NYMAG piece came out.

    Once again, I ask you point blank – how many innocent names are you willing to tarnish in order to finger one guilty man?
    How much specious evidence are you willing to tolerate in order to uphold one lucky bit of hearsay that might have turned out to be true?

    Finally, I have nothing but sympathy for abused boys. However, I have nothing but disdain for investigative reporters who make their livelihood by spicing up ambigious facts and casting shadowy aspersions based on “anonymous sources.”

    One man came forward? OK, my heart goes out to him. However, I think a court of law is a lot more of an appropriate venue than the court of public opinion. The latter is fickle and shallow. The former has a modicum of objectivity and impartiality.
    I await the decision of the former. Will you continue to execute innocents based on the vigilante justice of the latter?

    Finally, I assume no real evidence regarding the others that UOJ has accused. Dont mix my words out of context. Please accord me the same intellectual honesty I accord you.

  14. When your community takes child abuse seriously, UOJ will stop. You want it both ways. No public outcry and no community resposibility or cleanup.

    And you showed absolutely no concern for the victins until I challenged you.

    Let the sun shine in.

  15. steve weiss

    “5. “does the one molester netted justify the tens of innocent people accused by UOJ and his ilk? ”

    How do YOU know you are not accusing an innocent man? ”

    I’ll make it even simpler: I know he is not innocent of accusing people without evidence because I read him and see dozens of names offered up without a shred of evidence. Nosson Scherman’s tax fraud? Paul Reichmann’s embezzlement of money from investors? Marvin Hier’s corruption in the weisenthal center? Israel Singer’s theft of money from holocaust victims? Yisrael Belsky’s supression of the truth?
    The list goes on and on and on. Yet in each case, this guy makes accusations and does not substantiate them with anything more than half assed snide comments and shoddy evidence culled from scandal rags at best. How do I know I’m not accusing an innocent man? B/c I know he’s accusing people without providing evidence or even claiming to.

    Have you been in contact with him on the subject of each of his targets? Do you know that they are ALL guilty? If that’s the case, please provide evidence. If not, please explain how you can support a man who besmirches the names of innocents, even if he’s accused the guilty on the side.

  16. steve weiss

    “5. “does the one molester netted justify the tens of innocent people accused by UOJ and his ilk? ”

    How do YOU know you are not accusing an innocent man? ”

    I’ll make it even simpler: I know he is not innocent of accusing people without evidence because I read him and see dozens of names offered up without a shred of evidence. Nosson Scherman’s tax fraud? Paul Reichmann’s embezzlement of money from investors? Marvin Hier’s corruption in the weisenthal center? Israel Singer’s theft of money from holocaust victims? Yisrael Belsky’s supression of the truth?
    The list goes on and on and on. Yet in each case, this guy makes accusations and does not substantiate them with anything more than half assed snide comments and shoddy evidence culled from scandal rags at best. How do I know I’m not accusing an innocent man? B/c I know he’s accusing people without providing evidence or even claiming to.

    Have you been in contact with him on the subject of each of his targets? Do you know that they are ALL guilty? If that’s the case, please provide evidence. If not, please explain how you can support a man who besmirches the names of innocents, even if he’s accused the guilty on the side.

  17. I want to be very clear, UOJ acted within the law and within halacha. There is nothing unethical or immoral about what he did.

    Halachically:
    1) Firstly, we are clearly obligated to speak out against evil. It is a mitzvah. We are susposed to expose hypocrites.

    2) There is no obligation to do so with your identity. In fact if doing so would put you in danger, it is assur. So since UOJ has been threatened and has no eidus to give. It is in fact assur for him to reveal his identity.

    3) A perfect example is straight from the Torah. Moshe Rabeinu came across an Egyption beating a Jew. Did he immediately act? Of course not. He wisely looked to the left, looked to the right and then since he could act anonymously since no one was around, he killed and buried the rasha. While I am not encouraging people to break secular or kill people, I want people to understand you can act anonymously. It’s 100% OK.

    Acting anonymously to destroy rashas is a time honored tradition. UOJ has acted in the great tradition of Moshe Rabeinu.

    We should all aspire to do so.

  18. By the way, Stevie, you accuse me and others of “spicing up ambiguous facts.” Got any proof for that?

  19. steve weiss

    If only UOJ were selflessly about child abuse instead of clearly out with an agenda against the jewish leadership at large.

    He has accused one person of child abuse and dozens of communal leaders of everything from supposed theft to flying first class without women. Sounds less like someone out to make the community better and more like a guy who hates everyone who’s slightly more prominent than he is.

  20. steve weiss

    If only UOJ were selflessly about child abuse instead of clearly out with an agenda against the jewish leadership at large.

    He has accused one person of child abuse and dozens of communal leaders of everything from supposed theft to flying first class without women. Sounds less like someone out to make the community better and more like a guy who hates everyone who’s slightly more prominent than he is.

  21. steve weiss

    actually, shmarya, I accuse ny magazine of typically spicing up the facts. I refer to investigative reporters. I have little problem with your work, mainly b/c you are both up front about your history and name, and generally more meticulous about your facts. UOJ is neither. My beef is 1) with him and 2) with your props to him.

    I ask again – please answer me, before I lose my respect for you – how do you countenance his accusations of apparently innocent people? Is the punishment of the guilty worth the ruining of the innocent?

    Are you prepared to live with that kind of collateral damage?

  22. steve weiss

    My beef (which you consistently seem to miss) is also that ny mag in general(like the post) is more about gossip than truth, and more about selling copies than selling truth.

    I prefer my news boring but honest and without the spice of dubious scandal.

  23. My point is that it is fair to criticize UOJ on some of his claims about community leaders, which are no different than claims for exammple found on the blogs of Tweedledee and Tweedledumber (Yudel and Yanover) about various Republican public figures BUT the allegations against Kolko are quite different. They are detalied and now backed up by numerous credible allegations.

  24. I know Rabbi Belsky suppressed facts surrounding the Rubashkin issue. Singer I do not believe but would be open to viewing any documentation UOJ may have. Hier’s situation is well known. As for Nosson Scherman, if UOJ has naything on the ArtScroll co-founder and sometime Agudah flak, I’d like to see it.

  25. UOJ had the facts on Kolko. As I noted above, other he has accused have a bit of a track record. I knew Singer years ago. I do not believe he would steal from survivors. I also worked in (but NOT for the WJC, and am familiar with how they operate).

    The Kolko scandal is not “dubious.” Sadly, it is real, as you will eventually see.

  26. steve weiss

    Shmarya, I challenge you. Go ask him for his evidence on each of the people you ahve named, and others including paul reichmann, leib pinter, the gerrer rebbe et al. If you determine that every person he has accused is guilty based on his evidence (and please, not on what’s “well known”, I’ll back down and nod my head in deference. But I’m afraid that though you are “open to documentation”, and “would like to see it” you’ll find it sorely lacking.
    Prove me wrong, but until you do, please, please dont laud a man who thus far has been overwhelmingly guilty or complicit in the cult of guilt that has sprung up from the blog world into the jewish community.

  27. My point is, do not assume UOJ’s allegations are baseless unless you know them to be. You named several allegations. At least 2 are absolutely valid, and another may very well be. The Singer situation is very confusing for those not used to the chaos of the WJC’s normal operation. But, again, I’ll even reconsider that if UOJ has more information.

  28. steve weiss

    Once again, I think you do good work. But I dont think UOJ does. PLease dont debase your credibility by linking your brand name to his.

    So long, I’m off.

  29. Leib Pinter is also very well-known. It is not UOJ’s invention. You do not seem to realize how widespread this problem really is.

  30. Leib Pinter went to prison for government fraud. The fact you aren’t aware of that SIW indicates to me you should do some research.

  31. Leib Pinter went to prison for government fraud. The fact you aren’t aware of that SIW indicates to me you should do some research.

  32. steve weiss

    LOL. JWB, its clear youre not much of an investigator! Although flattered by the assumption, I’m not SIW. There is no I in my name. I’m all about the plain steve weiss.

    You however, are still the same guy who, together, with UOJ, are besmirching the names of innocent people.

    Shmarya, I’m done with this debate as I said before. But I repeat – remember, an accuser who lies about some things is probably not the best role model.

  33. My mistake steve weiss, but your mistake is that I have not besmirched the name of one innocent people. You cannot name 1.

  34. Thanks Shmarya.

    1- I never said a word about Paul Reichmann…I am very liberal with the commenters-Fact!

    2-Pinter is a convicted felon-Fact!

    3-The Gerrer Rebbe predicted Moshiach will be here at the end of this year- Fact!. I will apologize to him if he was right.

    4-There are five victims of Kolko that will be involved in litigation against him so far. Fifteen or so more are contemplating “ruining” their lives by coming forward.Fact!

    5-I have interviewed twenty three people involved in the previous Kolko investigation, I have their documents.Fact!
    6-All the victims from different eras describe Kolko’s behavior to the letter. They do not know each other.Fact!

    7-I never said a word about Nosson Scherman’s tax issues.Fact!

    8-I have in my possession internal documents from the W.J.C’s office regarding Singer.
    They “admitted” to the “transfer of funds to a Swiss account by Israel Singer without the knowledge or consent of the organization.”

    Shmarya..I present these facts to you; Steve is suffering from a bad case of “Blogger Envy!”
    Oh BTW, Kolko is gone..I guess he quit because he didn’t like my comments about him.

  35. >please, please dont laud a man who
    >thus far has been overwhelmingly
    >guilty or complicit in the cult
    >of guilt that has sprung up from
    >the blog world into the jewish community.

    I see no evidence of this to the contary, he has spared 100s if not thousands of future students and campers from a sexual predator something countless Jewish leaders have failed to do over decades.

    Blog on UOJ, blog on.

    Steve Weiss, I stll wait for the name of a single innocent person I have besmirched, of the many you falsely claim.

  36. der kugelager

    “Sounds less like someone out to make the community better and more like a guy who hates everyone who’s slightly more prominent than he is.”
    Mr Weiss,
    This is a time honoured tradition from the time of king David “to make the community better” , ki messon-eikho hashem essno !
    That’s perfectly alright.
    What leadership? The leadership, like the legendary king is naked. (of middos and mayssim toyveem).

  37. der kugelager

    more on this “leadership”, Mr Weiss:

    pnei hador kifnei hakelev. BT Sotah 49.
    the dor being a reflection of the failed and hypocritic leadership. Were they not claiming to be Jewish, they would be accused of being anti-semitic.

  38. Yaakov

    Steven Weiss is being disingenuous here. Not purposefully, but because of his own bias. Steven has defended Israel Singet many times, and only revealed that he lived in Singer’s house and was treated like a part of his family, after he was challenged on it. He claimed that anyone who read protocols, which happens to be a small portion of the frum Jews who are now online, would have know of his connection.
    Obviously, this is throwing his judgement way off. Nevertheless, I think we should let him off this time, since he does do some good work.

  39. Apparently this Steven Weiss is not SIW.

  40. I do not think this is SIW – this is a different Steven Weiss.

  41. hashfanatic

    At last.

  42. Neo-Conservaguy

    Newsflash: this story is about Kolko and Scheinberg – not Steven Weiss, not UOJ, not JWB, not even Shmarya. You’ve been cleverly pulled away from the main focus in the comment war.

  43. formaly frum

    formallyfrum

    About frum community leaders; To those who think the frum community is not sick or do not want to believe OUJ

    When I was young it was a known fact that most yeshivas (where one is learning Torah “do not steal”) were stealing money from the government. They did it in many different ways from “lunch programs,” “youth core,” and programs for the handicap. I know this since I went to yeshiva and we where bused to other yeshivas one day when inspectors came. And other yeshivas where bused to my yeshiva when the inspectors came to my yeshiva. In addition, my yeshiva was caught stealing money by lying to the government saying they run programs for handicap children. Some Rabbis went to jail and some went to Israel for many years. When they came back from Israel the community accepted them as leaders again. One yeshiva honored a person less than one week from his release from prison. Somehow, nobody found the above strange.

    A true story,

    My parents house was robbed on Shabbat by some neighborhood yeshiva boys. Amazingly the reaction of the community was “how could they carry the stuff to their house” since it was on Shabbat and “pre eruv” days. Nobody said, “How could yeshiva boys steal.” Yes, the frum community has major problems

  44. Rowan Berkeley

    I seldom comment here, since after all I am not Jewish, but from time to time I am struck by the hard work Shmarya, JewishWhistleBlower, and UnOrthodoxJew all do to bring their own world up to the same moral standards that it demands of the non-Jewish world. It’s a worthwhile effort, I think.

  45. Harry Miller

    I am really suprised that nobody has beaten the crap out of that child molester all these years. I am 60 years old and remember the sexual abuse that went on between boys and men in the 5th floor dorm in Chaim Berlin on Pitkin & Stone. You think Avigdor MIller was ignorant of this? doubtful. He and Reb Motel were more interested in sperating the boys from the Bais Rivka girls whose school was on the next block. Hats (excuse the pun) the UOJ for bringing to the public what was hushed up all these years. Orthodox jewry has evolved into a liftestyle that it devoid of any type of religious commitment to any type of diety. But don’t talkl too loud as it might spoil the shudduch prospects of your 7 year old son. I also remember Framowits from the Augdah shul on Crown Heights. I recall the horrible accident when his wife backed up in an exit on 17 going up to the mountains. He loved davening for the omid for kaballat shabbat with the son who was killed ,harmonizing le-cha dodi. I know it’s all true. How can parents send kids to that school?

  46. Shmuel

    Good thought, Rowan. And you don’t have to be Jewish to love this blog or to comment here. Join in anytime.
    Yep, we sure do love to mock the non-Jewish world for their moral failings. But then, when we are asked to live up to our own moral ideals which we love to mouth off about so much…forget it. Listen, if you hold yourself out as a guiding moral “light on to the nations,” don’t be surprised when the world demands that you walk the walk.

    I used to laugh at the Catholic Church and its priest problem. I’m not laughing at them anymore. It’s the same exact pattern of brazen denial and intimidation.

    Leaders? LOL! We have none. Paskening shailos about bugs, wigs and other crap while little boys are getting buggered all over the yeshivos of New York for years and no one says a WORD? And they’re shameless. Amazing.

    Parents: take your kids out of Torah Temimah. Teach Margulies a real lesson. Start some other crappy little yeshiva where your kid will get the bare minimum of secular schooling…shouldn’t be hard. But every day your little yingele is in that school you’re rewarding that accomplice.

  47. >I am really suprised that nobody has beaten the crap out of that child molester all these years.

    Someone did. Publically.

  48. joethe frum yid

    you are all full of chutzpah and garbage to talk about orthodox jews ion such a balatantly chutzpahdika manner

  49. stam

    who is Framowits?

  50. Isa

    True Story!!
    I was at my mother-in-law’s house at some family get together. Except I had a computer science final and I was studying and not paying attention. I noticed my wife was complaning to her mother about an ‘uncle’ who was bothering my daughter. So I started to pay attention. It was a buffet lunch so I took food and sat on a chair with my back to the wall. My family was eating opposite of me. Here comes the ‘uncle’ he jabs my daughter really hard in her side (he was told to stop before this) I get up and scream “LEAVE HER ALONE” I storm out of the house and took my family home. THEN my wife tells me he spent a couple of years in a Calif prison for ‘bothering’ 12 yr old girl in his clinic (He is a MD) Then I really blew up!! My mother-in-law comes over and I tell her (they all think I over reacted) that if she think I over reacted if I knew then about the prison I would have had him arrested etc etc.
    The whole lot of them thinks I over reacted except for my wife and daughter, I told my daughter that she is not for sale.
    I later found on the WEB where Calif and NY pulled his medical license for ‘bothering’ adult women. I printed that out of course and saved it.
    The retards here that support the molesters.. even if you showed a video of the molester in action all you would here is
    LOSEN HARA LOSEN HARA
    hang them all
    They cannot be redeemed.
    Understand that this ‘uncle’ was nice to talk to and intelligent but when I screamed at him his face had this wierd look like he was in a different world, probably a Jekall and Hyde situation.

  51. franji

    joethefrumyid!

    a heartfelt: ibki aleikha bekhi

  52. franji

    blessed be he who is bringing out these facts mishiabud ligeulah!

  53. hashfanatic

    Listen, folks, those few of you that will not pay heed to this call, you are only marginally less culpable than those who will not speak up at all:

    All I will say is that the child molester is NOT reformable. They ALWAYS come back, and it is to your child that they will return.

    Highest recividism rate of all sex crimes.

    Suspend social conventions and all other such nonsense (and it IS) and put your children’s welfare first.

  54. Dovid Lerner

    This post is to try to get this back on course:

    Aside from what we need to do, we need to educate our children. If children know they have someone to go to, then abuse won’t happen.

    The problem is (as written in the article), the parents often won’t believe the children, “how do we know he’s not making this up” they ask.

    Every case should merit an investigation, don’t assume because the child is a trouble-maker that he made it up. Torah demands that we make full investigations v’dorashtah heitev. If the man is a molestor, he must be turned over to the police, as he is a roidef.

  55. devorah

    Thank you for your website. I hope people who read it, will realise that SILENCE is the enemy when it comes to these kind of situations. Where I live, there is a code of silence, and people get away with anything and everything. I am SO SICK AND TIRED of rabbis who bend the truth, distort Torah and allow abuse to continue.
    I hope these rabbis burn in hell.

  56. Most people dont question uojs motives. Its his mo that worries us. Campaigning with New York magazine begging them to write a story comparing orthodox yeshivas with the Catholic church? A humongous chilul hashem. The rambam writes a chilul hashem is the most serious of sins and one who creatse one in public has no afterlif. Whew.

  57. Most people dont question uojs motives. Its his mo that worries us. Campaigning with New York magazine begging them to write a story comparing orthodox yeshivas with the Catholic church? A humongous chilul hashem. The rambam writes a chilul hashem is the most serious of sins and one who creatse one in public has no afterlife. Whew.

  58. hashfanatic

    But, stop, what is your alternative?

    What do you propose for someone to do, to STOP the abuse?

  59. Stop the Phonies

    Its his mo that worries us. Campaigning with New York magazine begging them to write a story comparing orthodox yeshivas with the Catholic church? A humongous chilul hashem. The rambam writes a chilul hashem is the most serious of sins and one who creatse one in public has no afterlife. Whew.

    Rav Elyashiv and many other contemporary poskim hold that mesira is both permissible and required when it comes to a child molester because they hav a din rodef. Going to the press and the civil courts, far less of a prohibition then mesira, is certainly permitted as a means of stopping a child molester. The problem with you mr. stopuoj is that you are an am haaretz, ignorant of real halacha, only fluent in the knee jerk froomak talk, loshen hurah, chillul hashem blah blah, without any knowledge of the halachos pertaining to these issues. The poskim involved in this campaign behind the scenes have basically said run don’t walk. The good news is that there is going to be a massive shakeout from this scandal. This is the moment of truth for all of those mealy mouthed candy coated phonies trying to out frum each other. no more sitting on the fence. where were you when jewish children were being destroyed by this monster? where were your leaders? where were your newspapers? without a good answer your going to have to step aside?

  60. THERE ARE WAYS TO STOP ABUSE WITHOUT GOING TO NEW YORK MAGAZINE AND COMPARING US TO PRIESTS
    EVEN IF RAV ELYASHIV SAID ITS NOT MESIRA, WHICH I AGREE WITH, THIS IS A NEW LEVLE OF EBASEMENT SOME OF THE COMMENTS ON MY SITE WONDER IF UOJ SIN IS EVEN GREATER THEN KOLKOS, UOJ HAS SURPASSED KOLKO IN WRONGDOING

  61. Der Kugelager

    UOJ SIN IS EVEN GREATER THEN KOLKOS, UOJ HAS SURPASSED KOLKO IN WRONGDOING
    ????
    maybe not so stopuo….,
    you can tell for sure, once the question arises in regards to your son’s or your grandfather’s posterior, or that of your rabbi or his sons of grandmothers posterior, was penetrated or not, and wether that constitute a sin or not. huh?

  62. Not Anonymous

    > Rabbi Pinchas Scheinberg, a now senile ‘gadol’ living in Jerusalem,

    > I ask readers in Jerusalem to do the right thing. Go to Rabbi Scheinberg’s yeshiva in Mattersdorf and demand an answer. Anything less than a complete apology, spit in the senile bastard’s face.

    If he’s in fact senile, what good would that do? Are you telling me the next time you are in Jerusalem you are going to do that? If not, you’re a hypocritical coward.

  63. stopuoj:

    The true sickness of your comment overwhelms me. Haredim – this is the drivel your leaders taught you. RUN AWAY from them as fast as you can.

    Not Anonymous:

    I intend to. I know much of his family, some are my friends. Yet, unless Rabbi Scheinberg is very far into dementia, I will spit in his face. (If I don’t go to yershalyim this summer, I’ll send a the strongest, clearest message possible.)

  64. ORTHADOX JEW

    moireinu harav pinchus schienberg is not senile and whatever he says is das torah either its not true or this is das torah then he did the right thing. who are you to say anything against someone who is as great as him. you dont come close to the dust that he walks on. YOU STUPID LOOSER.

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