The War Against Iran

Writing in the New Republic, Yossi Klein HaLevi makes a strong case that Israel’s war is against Iran. Iran is the sponsor of both Hezbollah and Hamas and, according to Israeli intelligence agencies, may be within months of having a usable nuclear weapon. He further asserts the cause of this latest flare up is not Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza – rather, HaLevi argues, it is the tepid reaction of the government to aggression from Gaza after the withdrawal.

HaLevi also notes:

The ultimate threat, though, isn’t Hezbollah or Hamas but Iran. And as Iran draws closer to nuclear capability–which the Israeli intelligence community believes could happen this year–an Israeli-Iranian showdown becomes increasingly likely. According to a very senior military source with whom I’ve spoken, Israel is still hoping that an international effort will stop a nuclear Iran; if that fails, then Israel is hoping for an American attack. But if the Bush administration is too weakened to take on Iran, then, as a last resort, Israel will have to act unilaterally. And, added the source, Israel has the operational capability to do so.

HaLevi’s brief but cogent piece is must reading. Take five minutes and read it now.

[First seen on Hirhurim.]

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9 responses to “The War Against Iran

  1. avrohom

    “He further asserts the cause of this latest flare up is not Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza – rather, HaLevi argues, it is the tepid reaction of the government to aggression from Gaza after the withdrawal”.

    whether or not you follow blindly your gedolim
    and the writers that hold enlightened and dark opinions similar than yours, i am blind and aprisioner to think as you are (for you want to destroy yiddishkeyt to exchange it with the utopic and false messiahs of the day and therefore you will always not want to be “confused with the facts…” since you have made up your stupid mind…

    The fact remains whether halevi and you like it or not: The withdrawal brought hamstan and the flare up.

    Listen to simple things (iknow your head is blocked from understanding simple things because it’s fershtopped with narishekyten): LEt’s take what halevi writes and think through logically for a second:

    “the tepid reaction….” belongs to the same mindset that brought the withdrawal! It means that we have to listen to what the outsiders say…we cannot fight all our enemies…and after all maybe the palesitinains are right…”we are occupiers…” …”it’s the settlers fault…” “they suffered…..”.

    All this mindset gave legitimacy to the point of view of the Hamas and to their existence. So withdrawal gave them strength to go on and gave us weakness to respond appropriately…and obviously our vest friends in the White House who “support” us (mrs. rice) ask us right now! to act with “restraint”! This is all from the same mindset.

    They brought Oslo and the suicide bombers with the thousand plus fatal casualties…and the wounded and all the suffereing…the disengagements and kassams and katyushas ..the exodus of people in cities tzfat, nahariya and other cities in the north…so that the liberal bleeding should feel good..

    shmarya you stupid head do teshuva…you spoke against all jewish leaders befroe the holocaust when they did not have internet and pictures to see with thier physical eyes all the sides…but you and you corrupt messiahs have the pictures in front of you…but you sickheads will always find another “enlightened” reason for the tragedy and blame someone else…you and all people who criticized those who criticized the disengagement with your sick crimes…against those who claimed we cannot do peace with these enemies…all of you are guilty for the deaths, wounded and suffereing and a million people living under trhe fear of katyusha….sick person DO TESHUVA!

  2. Neo-Conservaguy

    “..but you sickheads will always find another “enlightened” reason for the tragedy and blame someone else…”

    Accuser, meet self; self, meet accuser – I believe you’ll find you have something in common.

    No more caffeine before posting, Avrohom – you’re going to, chas v’shoylom, blow a gasket .

  3. Paul Freedman

    My impression was that Shmarya was not for disengagement and might have opposed it if we are talking about who believes what. I also remark again that the IDF military leaders unlike some of their critics (ahem) have actually been in combat situations (in Gaza, in Lebanon) and their experience and training may have something to do with their feelings–it is very easy to accuse someone else of living in an “ivory tower” and having a “mind set” and to forget or overlook that that person may have a lot of experiences the critic doesn’t have that make them think that so and so might be difficult.

  4. avrohom

    “My impression was that Shmarya was not for disengagement and might have opposed it if we are talking about who believes what”.

    I vividly remember what he wrote then: all he was worried about is the terrible crime that chabad cannot ever envision a peace deal with the arabs. He also criticized harshly the settlers. The whole year has passed and he has not voiced his regret over his positions. He has not criticized the proponenets of all the isms that brought the terible tragedy we are in now> He also tries to put aside all the tragedies to Iran as to say: oslo disenagement are not the real porblem…it is iran bblah blah…it’s the kind of talk i’m prone of hearing from 13 years ago…This is the problem with allof his gods in the secular “isms” whose mainissue is to fight judaism therefore he fights shechitah, metzitzah bpeh (hope he makes some metzitzah in his peh he should stop talkngi foul lanaguage at torah mitzvot and torah leaders) and he is enslaved and a pataienet (together will other sick and demented people on his blog) to trust hhis goyishe gods and their values so he will shy away from cirticizing the real trouble maker at the time being and he will find time to criticize judaism for he hates them with a passion…

    ‘I also remark again that the IDF military leaders unlike some of their critics (ahem) have actually been in combat situations (in Gaza, in Lebanon)…”
    as i told you: this was good 13 years ago, befroe we knew the consequences of their “knowledge” and”experinces”. Remember: the geneeal idea that thesepople had experinces, and experitse was rebuffed by the rebbe by saying: that every single military epert really states that from a military standpoint any ceding of terriroties is dangerous but from a political pov they will work…they are not qualified for political pov and ore importantly: pokitics takes a back seat for security considerations… This was befor the fact: 13 years after: we have 1000 ‘s plus dead, so many more wounded, Hamastan etc, and now the katyushas and kassams right after these “Experinced” people’s policies implemented! should give you a sign of red light! enough with condescendence to state oer and over

    “and their experience and training may have something to do with their feelings–”

    this was good befor their failur…after their constant failue and their inability to say “we erred” and on the contrary they persist in thier lethal policies one certainly has a right to accuse all the academicians and haters of judaism that their contemptous talk stems from their sitting int he ivory tower at best orqand their hatred to judaism jews at worse.

    and certainly able to say: that they have a “mind set”…” and certainly entitled to claim tha tthey ” experiences ” did not do any good and that probably other elements in thier experinces was the reason for their abysmal failure aand that imprisonment of their minds and mindset and ideologies is that make them think that so

  5. Paul Freedman

    avrohom–we continue to disagree I think on the inherent difficulty of extended ground operations and the economics of occupation–I note your argument that you believe that the current high echelon in the defense establishment is “politicized” post-Oslo (but I don’t myself take the Rebbe’s “refutation” as a complete analysis of security and budgetary decisions as they are generated in the IDF)–I still don’t remember Shmyra as being pro-disengagement and think you are mixing up various types of “secularism”–his opposition to various practices of kashrut or circumcision or to Chabad calls for expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel or violence in demonstrations didn’t mean he was for disengagement.

    The world is still broken. But it’s fixable.

  6. avrohom

    Let’s make this clear: Shmarya the sicko was against the chabad stance about disengagment. He was also adamant at the settlers at amona and in other instances. He was quite vociferous on all the above. On acknowledging any mistake he is quiet beleiving the gods of the media that since iran is to blame therefore he will be in no need to cirticize the false messiahs of thepeace piece movements.

    This blog is basically a blog to discredit the beleif of Jews in Jewish leaders and in excoriating jewish practices and denigrating jewish beleifs and customs.

    “avrohom–we continue to disagree I think on the inherent difficulty of extended ground operations and the economics of occupation–”

    Not at all. I actually understand all this talk. I heard them…discussed them…for years and years…but they are not a justification for all that happened since then…for they can be no subsitute for increased security and certainly they cannot be accepted as legitimate when they drastically decrease security…

    “I note your argument that you believe that the current high echelon in the defense establishment is “politicized” post-Oslo”

    And therefore before oslo and what brought to oslo…as he REbbe wrote about it on 1978 !
    ” (but I don’t myself take the Rebbe’s “refutation” as a complete analysis of security and budgetary decisions as they are generated in the IDF)–”
    I know you don’t but when you make these claims on me i do. And all i want to tell you, that the condescending talk about “the generals and experience… blah blah….” (plus: those who do not serve in the army blah blah blah) have ZERO meaning after 13 years of regression in security matters to israel and a slippery slope that continues going down and down in a way that one cannot constantly use these arguments anymore (“generals…expensive occupation…”)

    “I still don’t remember Shmyra as being pro-disengagement and think you are mixing up various types of “secularism”–his opposition to various practices of kashrut or circumcision or to Chabad calls for expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel”

    FOR the record chabad never called for expulsions of arab citizens…you are just inflaming something that did not happen…

    in any event: his making a blog to use all his energy to attack jewish practices, Torah as it was practiced and beleived for thousands of ueyars, attack vast amount of jewish leaders today…is a personification of the worshipping of the secular god to defy the g-d of israel who was worshipped for thousands of years…that is his whole interest and in chassidus parlance “chayus” that he gets from 3 klipot hatmeoss. and he becomes a klipoh gassoh and a sicko that when 250,000 jews are suffering and a few died from his secular idol gods he has time to invest on was the serial killer 100 years ago…what this professor writes about chabad and so on a…he is a sicko who wants to destroy judaism…

    “The world is still broken. But it’s fixable”.

    only with torah and mitzvot and beleif in hashem!

  7. Paul Freedman

    avrohom–I don’t think it is condescending to say that cautionary views on the ease of military operations by veterans who have participated in earlier ones should not be disregarded–that said I have read in the Washington Post that the IDF general staff would prefer ground operations now in Gaza and Lebanon but that Olmert and the political echelon prefer air and artillery attacks + blockade to force Arab crackdown on Hamas and Hezbollah w/help of diplomatic intermediaries.

  8. pushkina

    i would just like to remind everyone making this discussion about iran into yest another discussion about shmarya and chabad… that in iran today is a jewish community of over 30,000 people. i am in close contact with those folks who are scared to death that the US will attack iran and they will be in the middle or israel might attack and they will be in the middle.

    many of you who are 2nd or 3rd generation post- holocaust will no doubt, assert taht they are no better than the jews of germany. but there is a difference: the jews of germany, even though they had been there before the germans were immediately targeted; the jews in iran, having been there from the time of the frist exile, have lived in a theocratic regime for almost 25 years, far, far less abused than most minorities in iran.

    BTW, if any of you can understand dutch, the only film made on the jews of iran since the revolution is viewable on http://www.jewishbroadcaster.nl/ — search under ‘televisie’ for ‘Joden uit Iran’ and there you can find it. the images are amazing and the story is too.

    if you pray, pray for those folks in iran, even as you pray for those in israel, becuase the community in iran is israel too.

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