Haifa Reported Hit Again – 9 Killed

Ellen Silman writes from Sefat:

All the Yeshivas in Tsfat have been closed. The Lubavitch Yeshiva moved to a place near Haifa. I told them Motzai Shabbat that was not far enough. I just heard on the news that Haifa was hit again. 9 killed

To say that things are tense is putting it mildly. The Breslov shul which Friday night generally has about 250 people had around 20 people.

I mentioned to several people that I now understand what the Blitz of London was like and they agreed.

Ellen

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11 responses to “Haifa Reported Hit Again – 9 Killed

  1. avrohom

    thanks to all great “Gedolim” of yours including generals (Ehud BaraK) for leaving LEbanon the way he did allowing Hezbollah to stay and strnegthen himself and turn a blind eye and create the stge where the enemy lost any senseof edetterence. EVen now: the only way the carnage done today killing this amount of civilians would stop would actually be when israel is armstrong by the “Best friend” bush and actually do what he does, targeting to kill and if civilians are on the way they should not have aided and abbetted hezbbolah to be there on the first place, they are all guilty. but the ideals of failures as your gedolim led israel to the decadence where they are today. Had they listened to the Rebbe the only Leader to speak consistently on this matter and unampbuigously they would not have had to fight this today and as the REbbe said many times “there would be less casualties on both sides”!

  2. Paul Freedman

    avrohom, the Rebbe was *not* the only Jewish leader to oppose disengagement or support Jewish settlement–religious nationalism a la Kookism developed independently of him although he supported it–it was a non-hasidic, Israeli movement–the Rebbe did not and does not sit at the center of the Jewish universe, the exaggeration of his importance has now led to theological claims that he literally is the Divine center around which the rest of us revolve or should revolve; such over-estimation of the Rebbe’s importance will not be accepted no matter how many times those of us who are “turned off” by these claims and ignore them are called sick or decadent or chasers of false gods. We do not require intermediaries who carry God’s essence through shituf.

  3. avrohom

    Paul,

    Here you go again and thanks for makibng my point. This is terible crime i have commited. i have placed greater importance on the rebbe than any other “godol” of the generals. You will not write with the same vehemence at your gedolim (the generals and other secular leaders) as you will harshly react to someone who tells you: the rebbe was right! the rebbe predicted it exactly to what it hwould happen! The rebbe told us the exact details….Kahane may have said so boruch yihye whereever he is right now…I’m stressing the Rebbe for the Rebbe did not sahy this connected with a redemptiveprocess…most of the times the REbbe said this in connection witha state of exile …he said that if would be in nehardaah (babylon) in would be the same as recorded already in talmud eruvin 45 ? thousands and so years ago…hepredicted that every concession brings more concession…israel has lost it’s deterrence [power since evcery concession of tyour gedolim and false messiahs and today we pay with the price of 9 dead (already 25 since the begining of this war). all because we have to listen to the Isms of the day and their false gods.

    i will not be detterered by your calls about the rebbe…i will always call on the attention…specially that this impure blog is centered at mocking him…all of you who are accmo;lices to this crime should be ashmaed fo yourselves…

    the most important thing is: put your energy in focusing on how much you erred in beleiving that the generals will solve the problems and “peace” shmiece and piece costs the lives and the safety of MILLIONS OF ISRAELIS! becauseof these FALSE MESSIAHS

  4. Paul Freedman

    avorhom–you are welcome to place special emphasis on the Rebbe. I am saying that a faith in the centrality of the Rebbe to all of Jewish destiny not only fails to convince but will be less convincing to more and more Jews as the years pass. I also disagree that the problem is only one of loss of deterrent power–the problem is and remains that the Arabs and Islamic enemy have independent power and resources of their own that have grown over time.

  5. avrohom

    that is your prerrogative to be annoyyed and to tell that it is counterproductive; i for one beleive that teh rational person and that the person who is honest with himself will say: let’s not mess with the man who foresaw all this…let’s not give a hand to mock him…let’s respect him more after all he did understand the issue better than all these politicians and many generals who became politicians…. it is time to call a p spade a spade all people who empowered hamas have brought this disaster with their hands all jews suffering today is a direct result of the policies of idol worshipers of the academia of the so called modern day thinkers…and all those who pooh pooh the deterrence factor just by saying “the power and resources of the enemy” are just blah blahing, for after all they cannot use their resource and power unless some pawns and small people implement their power and use their resource: syria and iran would not just one day throw a bomb from their places…they start gradually : by having a hezbollah army of theirs doing their job at the border and from there we are here today with katyushas pouring all over israel down to haifa (the only place where iran and syria have not yet been able to do anything is from yehuda and shomron where the foot soldiers are there trying prevent every second as psossible) and the first step wasd and is gongi away from settling the place (and yes the settlers PROTECTED THE PEOPLE OF HAIFA! ) and the soldiers stay there… NEVER WAS THERE THIS KIND OF LOSS AND DISASTER SINCE 73 and only because the surrender to terror….

  6. Paul Freedman

    avrohom–your hitkashrus is undeniable and I appreciate your point that Syria and Iran have started small, dipping the lobster as it were in the pot and slowly raising the temperature–my larger point remains that Jews cannot tell all the goyiim to take a flying leap–that we do not want to go around saying that they are giants and we are as grasshoppers but we also do not want to ignore their chochma and overlook that practical considerations need to be weighed in along with faith–on a personal level I continue to believe that right now the Iranians are the chief chutzpaniim here at this time who are openly going up and down and parading with signs saying “We Are Amelek”.

  7. avrohom

    dear paul,

    jews cannot and should not tell the “giants” what to do in their home; they should tell them: with all due respect we are not yet ready to commit suicide…how many katyuchas more should fall in haifa or tel aviv for jews tell these “giants” :get out our lives when it touches our security? And how do you think in your mind that iran is amalek (and i may concur with you on this) that we stem their chutzpah right from the outset and do not let them suck more andmore of the blood: when dealing with amalek there is no concession: it’s an all out was…civilians too…do you want to reach to that level and then the giants willscream bloody murder “civilians…children….” or do you cut the cancer in the begining and do not let it sprea?….

    and do you think that putin and chirac will respect us mroe in the of the day when they can tell us what to do with issues of our survival or they will respect us (not important their declarations) when they know 250 eyes for one eye? and do you think think that bush will repsect us more and take us in his “chochmoh” when he sees that his strategic ally can take on iran’s proxies or he will discount their power being that they are pawns to bow to bush’s will? all of this questions are simple to answer…it is only that the “isms” of the day have blurred simple notions and we cannot say thatday is day and night is night….but the time has arrived for all the idol worshippers of the secular gods should brahe their idols and say: Hashem hoo Hoelokim and thank Mr. BUsh for your help (you are the best of all our “friends” ) but this time we will di without the help and do what we have to do so that every child in kiryat shmoneh, tzfat miron nahriya, haifa tiberias etc etc etc can sleep in his bed at night after all neither putin or chirac yemach shmoy vezichroy or mr bush are not offering their beds at the white house for al this chldren…and we attack the amaleks of the day head on at least preventing the further spread of their cancer…

  8. avrohom

    dear paul,

    jews cannot and should not tell the “giants” what to do in their home; they should tell them: with all due respect we are not yet ready to commit suicide…how many katyuchas more should fall in haifa or tel aviv for jews tell these “giants” :get out our lives when it touches our security? And how do you think in your mind that iran is amalek (and i may concur with you on this) that we stem their chutzpah right from the outset and do not let them suck more andmore of the blood: when dealing with amalek there is no concession: it’s an all out was…civilians too…do you want to reach to that level and then the giants willscream bloody murder “civilians…children….” or do you cut the cancer in the begining and do not let it sprea?….

    and do you think that putin and chirac will respect us mroe in the of the day when they can tell us what to do with issues of our survival or they will respect us (not important their declarations) when they know 250 eyes for one eye? and do you think think that bush will repsect us more and take us in his “chochmoh” when he sees that his strategic ally can take on iran’s proxies or he will discount their power being that they are pawns to bow to bush’s will? all of this questions are simple to answer…it is only that the “isms” of the day have blurred simple notions and we cannot say thatday is day and night is night….but the time has arrived for all the idol worshippers of the secular gods should brahe their idols and say: Hashem hoo Hoelokim and thank Mr. BUsh for your help (you are the best of all our “friends” ) but this time we will di without the help and do what we have to do so that every child in kiryat shmoneh, tzfat miron nahriya, haifa tiberias etc etc etc can sleep in his bed at night after all neither putin or chirac yemach shmoy vezichroy or mr bush are not offering their beds at the white house for al this chldren…and we attack the amaleks of the day head on at least preventing the further spread of their cancer…

  9. Neo-Conservaguy

    The aast Lubavitch Rebbe, zt”l, had as much business answering questions about military policy and strategy as general Ehud Barak would have poskening at my shul. R. Menachem Mendel Schneerson had no significant military training or experience – why in the world would anyone think he had anything relevant to say about establishing borders between countries and keeping them secure? Because he had a dream and haShem told him the answers?

  10. avrohom

    you sicko like your host. Unlike you and your host opinion , TOrah gives guideliness for every single thing under the unuverse. This issue is not an exception.

    The REbbe: had personal knowedlge on military issues…military people talked to the rebbe. they valued the rebbe’s position on these matters…(even Ariel Sharon… and as seen on this issue he was far ahead from anyone else as his predictions on this matter unfortunately became reality and ehud barak’s (your idol) was a fatal failure.

    And in addition: he understood that the law in Shulchan Oruch 329 clearly relates to the present situation.

    And you know what? your false gods and idols were wrong; the Rebbe was right. All the “peace” shmiess processess made byo yuor gods failed …all the rebbe’s predictions came true…tonight you will sleep comfortably ( i hope not ) but the children of tzfat, nahariya, tiberias, haifa will NOT.

    You are kid on the block who think this shmarya guy is smart you talk like a kid.You have time to gropw up and think through your postions…but why does eveyone else have to see your stupidity don’t you care about your honour?

  11. Neo-Conservaguy

    Tell me, Avroham, where is your Super Rebbe now? Why don’t you write him a letter complaining about all the Jewish blogs you hate; perhaps you’ll feel better and stop publicly humiliating yourself with inane thoughts and poor grammar. Then, you can do tshuva and return to Judaism rather than a closely related offshoot.

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