London’s Haredim Refuse To Support Israel?

Are London’s haredim boycotting pro-Israel rallies during this trying time of war? Could be. Our London correspondent The Beadle writes:

Hi Shmarya,

I went to the “Yes to Peace – No to Terror” Solidarity Rally held at

Jewish Free School.

There were 7,500 people (which is a lot for British Jews, considering

our numbers). There were messages of support from the British Hindus

and British Anglicans who said that they stood with the Jewish people

and the people of Israel in their fight against terror. There were

various speakers, Zvi Heifetz the Israeli Ambassador, the head of the

UJIA who said (quite correctly) that we are the true authentic voice of

British Jewry (an attack on those who signed the anti-Israel ad in The

Times a couple of weeks ago), and the Chief Rabbi who made a very

emotional and inspiring speach. We had a live satelite link-up with the

mayors of various Northern towns. I am sure you will be able to find

various reports on various websites.

It was all very moving and we were very proud of most of the Jewish

community.

The one upsetting part, in my mind, was that apart from Chabad (who

were there ostensibly to put Teffilin on people), the Chareidim were

almost non-existant. Chareidim are usually quite noticable – but amost

none could be spotted. A few of my friends there commented

similarly.This on top of the fact that someone told me that in his

Chareidi shul yesterday when he asked them to make a special

mishaberach for the matzav in Israel they refused saying that it wasn’t

warranted.

I was hoping that, with your help, maybe some of your readers out there

in the blogosphere could offer a suggestion as to why Chareidim feel

that showing solidarity with their fellow Jews in Israel is not of

particular importance to them?

Best regards

The Beadle

The Beadle also noted there seemed to be more non-Jews rallying to support Israel than haredim. Readers?

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29 responses to “London’s Haredim Refuse To Support Israel?

  1. The Beadle

    The thought occurs to me that maybe they did not attend because they didn’t want to run the risk of possibly having to stand next to Reform Jews (Heaven forfend).

    Don’t forget that this is the same Reform movement whose youth group went to Israel a couple of weeks ago. Over 100 kids had signed up to go and they were all given the option of not going when the troubles there kicked off. Only 2 or 3 stayed in the UK, the rest thought it was more important to show their solidarity with their fellow Jews in their time of need.

    Obviously they were well represented at the rally. Who has their priorities straight?

    In general term I am anti-Reform, so don’t start thinking that is why I am praising them.

  2. The Beadle

    The thought occurs to me that maybe they did not attend because they didn’t want to run the risk of possibly having to stand next to Reform Jews (Heaven forfend).

    Don’t forget that this is the same Reform movement whose youth group went to Israel a couple of weeks ago. Over 100 kids had signed up to go and they were all given the option of not going when the troubles there kicked off. Only 2 or 3 stayed in the UK, the rest thought it was more important to show their solidarity with their fellow Jews in their time of need.

    Obviously they were well represented at the rally. Who has their priorities straight?

    In general term I am anti-Reform, so don’t start thinking that is why I am praising them.

  3. Paul Shaviv

    This is hardly news. The UK is a far more fragmented Jewish society than the USA. The great tradition is of communal dis-unity.

  4. The Beadle

    Obviously the UK has its communal problems – Orthodox vs non-Orthodox, United Synagogue vs Chareidi, London Beth Din vs Federation Beth Din vs Manchester Beth Din vs Kedassia, NW Eruv vs Antis, etc, etc.

    Nevertheless in my naïveté, I thought that this was at least one issue where we could come together as one unified group.

    I guess bein odom l’chaveiro only applies to certain chaveirim.

  5. The Beadle

    Obviously the UK has its communal problems – Orthodox vs non-Orthodox, United Synagogue vs Chareidi, London Beth Din vs Federation Beth Din vs Manchester Beth Din vs Kedassia, NW Eruv vs Antis, etc, etc.

    Nevertheless in my naïveté, I thought that this was at least one issue where we could come together as one unified group.

    I guess bein odom l’chaveiro only applies to certain chaveirim.

  6. The Beadle

    Obviously the UK has its communal problems – Orthodox vs non-Orthodox, United Synagogue vs Chareidi, London Beth Din vs Federation Beth Din vs Manchester Beth Din vs Kedassia, NW Eruv vs Antis, etc, etc.

    Nevertheless in my naïveté, I thought that this was at least one issue where we could come together as one unified group.

    I guess bein odom l’chaveiro only applies to certain chaveirim.

  7. The Beadle

    don’t know why this is doing multiple posts…

  8. Anonymous

    Can you define Charedim? Is it anybody with a yarmulka; or a certain type of yarmulka; or a certain ideology; if the latter how does somebody spot an ideology in a crowd?

  9. Nachum

    UK Charedim are noted for being much more extreme than the American variety on a number of fronts.

    As it happens, anti-Zionism has a long history among British Jews, even among non-Charedim. (This is somewhat related to German anti-Zionism, both Orthodox and Reform.) However, the non-Charedim (apart from those on the extreme left) seem to have moved on from that stance. The Charedim have not.

  10. Shmuel

    Anti-Israel sentiment is sure out there in yeshiva circles, let alone Chasidic groups. We have a war going on, people are dying, and what are the yeshivish rabbis doing about it? Not much: they won’t even mention “Israel” by name; “war” is not mentioned; instead, we hear about the “matzav” of our brothers in “Eretz Yisroel.” No blood drives for the injured; no money drives for the internal Israeli refugees, oh no: just a lot of learning and Tehillim and shmiras hapeh and shmiras eynayim and learn 1 hour for the matzav and…I am absolutely stunned at their total lack of concern, their complete apathy, their absolute impotence, their utter irrelevance…Jews are dying, impoverished and hungry, and all they can think of is saying Tehillim 83? And learn one hour for the “matzav”? I’m not saying those actions are unimportant (one yeshiva guy told me that they will help overcome the underlying problem. Nu, I asked him, and the current crisis, which requires blood, money and food, how will that help? Silence.)but we need more than prayer sometimes. Some musarniks we are: a complete abandonment of Reb Yisroel’s principles.
    Shame on them for being so blind; shame on us for following them.

  11. Shmuel

    BTW, Shmarya, are you aware that “TopicAds by CafePress.com” to the right of this comment runs a lot of Jesus stuff and obscenities too? Please remove them if you can. Thanks!

  12. red

    chareidi Judaism is irrelevant.

  13. No Demonstrations

    British haredim are a reserved, insular lot, hardly the types to demonstrate. I for one am even surprised that Chabad turned out for the demonstration. Also, sadly, the Nutter Kartel has far too much influence in London.

  14. The Beadle

    A couple of points:

    Most of the Chabadniks were there to put teffilin on people. Except for one Rabbi Sufrin – he was on one of the trains in the July 7th bombing last year, so he feels slightly different from the rest of them when it comes to terrorism.

    Neturei Karta has next to no influence in London. I am not quite sure why you think otherwise.

  15. yaakov

    Avrohom was right. Shmarya, you are a pig and your writers are pigs. Where I am, all over the place Erets Yisroel is the first thing on people’s mind. Look in Hamodia and Mishpacha. Look the large tfillos rallies made by all types of charredim. Look for instance in Yeshiva Chayim Berlin. It is simply unbelivable ithat in such times, where your heroes and “Gedolim” and ktanim who caused and are causing so much death and suuffering you find the energy to attack frumme yidden. FOr what? You sick mamzer. You have done NOTHING your blog has done nothing. Only badmouthed “motzi shem roh”. The frumme yidden daven. Give tzedakah. many of them give large sums to people in erets yisroel for food.. They arrange to host people of the north….you bastard: ZILCH. So too your other kapos and german informers.

    And i btw i knw for a fact that in some places, people like satmarer went to the local tehillim rallies.

    SHAME ON YOU FOR DOING NOTHING…SHAME ON YOU FOR BADMOUTHING JEWS…SHAME ON YUO FOR ALIGNINNG YOURSELF WITH PEOPLE WHOSE IDEOLOGIES BROUGHT FOOLISHLY THIS TRAGEDY WHERE DOZENS OF YIDEN LOST THEIR LIVES…PUT ON YOUR BLOG TO SHAME YOUR LIBERAL FRIENDS FOR SUCKING THE BLOOD OF THE JEWS…THAT IS YOUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO DO TESHUVA…

  16. The Beadle

    Yaakov, well done for being insulting. You will get much sechar.

    Now. Why were there almost no chareidim at the rally?

  17. Paul Freedman

    I think studying an hour or so a day in honor of the matzav is fine–the Palestinians of Hamas and their buddies in Hezbolla and Iran otoh want to kill as many Jews as possible in honor of the matzav

  18. Nachum

    Beadle, some of the most prominent of the NK’s- the ones who go to Iran, etc.- are from the UK. Now, they may have little influence on British Jewry, but they don’t come from a vacuum.

  19. The Beadle

    Nachum,

    I know where they come from. It was just with regards to whether or not they have “far too much influence” that I disagreed.

    Paul Freedman, I think it would be more appropriate to give money to an organisation that is helping the families in the North. Learning and davenning is wonderful, and I am not disregarding it, but sometimes practical help is required. The various rallies that have been held round the world give much chizuk to Israelis and they truely appreciate it.

  20. yoni

    Yankele-

    You must be an IDIOT not to realize you are doing the very thing of which you accuse others.

    Beadle has one up on you; while he is “DOING NOTHING,” you are being counterproductive.

  21. The Beadle

    Yoni, where in that which I have written are you able to ascertain that I am doing nothing?

    I am not attacking you, nor particularly going to list the things I may or may not do. I am just wondering if anything I have written can be misunderstood as such.

  22. Yochanan Lavie

    We must support “Medinat Yisrael” (whatever we feel about the current, democratically elected gov’t) as well as “Eretz Yisroel.” Without the Medina there would be no aliya, no IDF, no gov’t money to yeshivot (ka-ching!) Instead, we would be a second-rate scattered people, cowering as dhimmis under Muslim theocratic rule or living in countries that hate us (such as Ethiopia, Poland, Morocco, etc.) It is easy to talk of Eretz Yisroel, as if it were a theme park. But it is a real country, with all difficulties and moral ambiguities that goes with sovereignty.

  23. Paul Freedman

    Beadle: I’m sure a fund could be arranged if it is needed that Charediim would be comfortable in contributing to: the funds could be targeted to meet charedi needs to relieve the Israeli budget to meet war needs, etc.

  24. yoni

    I was highlighting how yaakov accused you of doing nothing, sorry for the misunderstanding.
    -y

  25. Jeff

    Beadle,
    Actually, the Neturei Karta and the other extremists have a larger following in London percentage wise at least, than the same group in the U.S.A.
    I have also noticed that most U.K Jews of the non chareidi variety have very little knowledge about U.K Chareidim.Few have ever stepped into Stamford Hill the Chareidi neighborhood in London.The number of Chareidim in Stamford Hill hovers around 20 thousand, no mean feat when Londons total Jewish population is about 200 thousand.
    The Jewish school population in the U.K is about 90% orthodox and over half Chareidi, in other words in a generation or two half of U.K Jewry will be Chareidi

  26. Henech

    Rallies are a stupid, self-indulgent, self-congratulatory waste of time. They produce nothing.

  27. The Beadle

    I have come to the realisation and am prepared to admit that maybe I was a little unfair in attacking the chareidim for not attending the rally.

    Being an Israeli citizen living in London, I incorrectly assumed that if I appreciate these rallies, then probably others do as well.

    As long as you are doing something to help our brothers and sisters in Israel, that is the main thing.

    Having said that, Henoch, you are wrong, even if not everyone appreciates them, there are Israelis who do, so who are you to deny them?

  28. shoshanna

    I live in Stamford Hill amongst the Charedim & find it highly unlikely that they are anti-Zion. my neighbours on both sides regularly go to Israel & usually spend the whole 2 month summer break there. long convo’s about the situation in the middle east have further revealed that they are right behind Israel, altho they are never exactly wised-up on current affairs – either here or in the mid east. But then avoiding TV & other secular media will do that!

    I’m aware my immediate neighbours aren’t the whole community but surely their love of Israel would not be exceptional amongst UK Charedim?

  29. yankel

    What does not saying a mishebairach for the State of Israel have to do with not caring about the suffering of our brothers in Israel?

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