Falash Mura In Tiberias Bomb Shelter; Are We Too Much Concerned About “Ni@g@rs”?

Newly arrived Falash Mura from Ethiopia are assigned to a hostel in Tiberias. They’ve spent much of the last three weeks in the hostel’s bomb shelter, but are not complaining. The CBC reports:

Yayesh Aitagl, who arrived with her husband and daughter 15 months ago, said she is scared, even though the staff at the hostel help by showing them what to do.

Her husband, Truye, worked as a driver in Ethiopia and confesses that he didn’t expect this when he came to Israel.

“No, I didn’t think it would like this,” he said. “I am surprised, but I think it will all work out all right in the end. After all, it isn’t targeted at us, we are only going through what all the Jewish people are going through.”

Meanwhile, a haredi commenter who calls himself moshe kaufman left a series of comments today critical of this blog and most of our readers. This particular comment (left today on a post posted months ago) encapsulates his worldview:

stop slandering the names of reb elyashiv and reb chaim kaniveskiwho

are two of the holiest people on earth or you will find yourselves

sliding donw the slipery slope straight to hell faster thatn you can

say 1,2,3 you sick freaks i mean don’t you have ANYTHING better to do

with you’re time you guys afe such losers if that’s all you have time

to do is this stupid shit oh yeah and STOP SCREAMING ABOUT THE FUCKING

NIGGERS IN AFRICA!!
you’re jewish brothers and sisters are being killed

by hamas in israel and you still won’t shut up about those STUPID

FUCKING NIGGERS!!!!!

Such a wonderful American yeshiva education on display. I’ll bet you make your rosh yeshiva very proud.

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24 responses to “Falash Mura In Tiberias Bomb Shelter; Are We Too Much Concerned About “Ni@g@rs”?

  1. NoDemonstrations

    The fact is that the Falashmura have no business in Israel (or if they do, they have the same status as the Vietnamese and Cambodian refugees Israel accepted for humanitarian purposes years ago), and there is clear research showing that R’ Ovadia Yosef, who is very political, made a very big mistake in accepting the tshuva of the Ridbaz regarding the Falasha in general. As I do not accept the medina as being holy, I do not expect them to meet Torah standards regarding who they let into EY, and until Moshiach comes all we can do is have our own records regarding mihu yehudi. However, not accepting the Ethiopians into schools and congregations without giyur is very valid halachically.

    However, that post is the dumbest thing I have ever seen, and it looks like the work of a 12 year old graffiti artist.

  2. Yochanan Lavie

    As I have posted previously, the only time I have heard the words “Shvartze” and “nigger” used in anger is after I became a BT. It is one of the reasons I have become disillusioned. (Although, in fairness, many frum people I met are anti-racist).

    Although there are other halachic decisors who disagree with “No Demonstrations” his post is respectful and appropriate. I personally hold with those who say they’re Jewish. In my (Ashkenazi) mind, the Ethiopians and the Yemenites have cultures that remind me the most of Tanach. But that is subjective.

  3. Franji

    What can one really expect from people whose lingua franca (mame loshen) is “corrupt germanic”?
    To paraphrase PM Shamir’s description of the poles and anti semitism, our racist brethern, imbibe racism with the milk of their “mame loshen”(read germanic) speaking mothers.
    In this, Chossids are no better than Litwacks and vice versa. See the Lubavitcher’s emphasis on the study of germanic, and it’s inevitable corellary: his attitude to the Ethiopian Jews.
    As to NoDem’s disparaging comments on R Yosef, in favor of his deceased “mashiach”, it figures!
    R Yossef being the prince of Torah, that, formerly of Crown Heights, being a derisivly poor creation of Madison Avenue like excercise! Judaism, he did not represent.
    Now, he is dead!

  4. avrohom

    Shmarya,

    You started on the right path a few days ago. Do not go back to your old ways. If you disagree please do so with respect andpoint out why you beleive that you are right and others are wrong. but do not deride others who are respected by torah and observant jews.

  5. Franji

    In my (Ashkenazi) mind, the Ethiopians and the Yemenites have cultures that remind me the most of Tanach. But that is subjective.

    R’ Yochanan,
    You are eloquent, and more important fair and honest. I want to raise a point however:
    The closest to Tanach, are really the Samaritans. (also called Cuthim by our fellow charedi ashkenazim). A point I think they will not dispute themselves.
    (except presenting themselves as descendents of the 10 tribes).
    The poor Yemenites however, hold by the Talmud, and arrived into Ashkenazi hands in Israel-katzon latevach- all acquainted with the rishonim and acharonim of the posqim.
    As our religion is Torah Shebeal Pe based, attributing them (the yemenites) to the Tanach renders them unkosher in many eyes. Just the same as the Benei Yisrael of India, which still suffer discrimination in Israel after more than 5 decades of their Aliya! After they were accepted by the Rabbanut then.
    Speak of Honaa be maasseh u-bedibbur gam yachad. Rachmana litzlan!

  6. Lawrence M. Reisman

    Franji writes that “To paraphrase PM Shamir’s description of the poles and anti semitism, our racist brethern, imbibe racism with the milk of their “mame loshen”(read germanic) speaking mothers.” I have heard enough racist comments about the “abedin” (that’s Arabic for nigger – it also means “slave”) from the Syrian and Egyptian Jews of Brooklyn, who, by the way, will not allow their members to marry Gerim. (A Rabbinic decree that also applies in Buenos Aries. Supposedly, Reb Moshe Feinstein, after arguing that it was wrong, reluctantly agreed that the Syrians had a basis for adopting it). Racism knows no specific language; it is universal.

  7. Franji

    many of the syrians of brooklyn are the worse of the worse many having allowed themselves to be led by CH minim .
    i do not know of r’ feinstein giving in to them.
    they also told r’ obadia yosef who tried to talk sense into them that it is none of his business.
    one ought not to be confused by their phoney PR, there is no real Torah behind it.
    they may be maqpidim on keitzad meassreen melach and ignoring the laws on gerut- that’s why like minded PR whizz steinzalts love them and wrote a whole book on how they should be emulated.
    there is a ladino saying:
    with one hand they are busy kissing the mezuza, with the other they are busy stealing pita.
    there are legitimate issurim in judaism caused by mar-eet ayin.
    these guys do mitzvot asseh for mar-eet ayin.
    they will obey mitzvot only to be seen or to be recognised as moneyed and observant.
    they will wear a second pair of tefillin before learning derekh eretz.
    so much for the S.-money-Y.s farce of Brooklyn.

  8. Yochanan Lavie

    To my dear colleagues:

    Reb Lawrence: Yes, some Sephardic/Mizrachi Jews are also racist. We must root out that cancer wherever we find it. It is against tzelem elohim. However, light-skinned Ashkenazim (and I am as white as Caspar) often pride themselves on their whiteness. A freaking joke, since Hitler deemed them non-white and of an inferior race.

    Reb Franji: The Samaritans are an interesting group of people. However, they reject most of Tanach. The accept the Five Books of Moses and the Book of Yehoshua. The Karaites accept everything except the talmud.

    I myself am undecided as to whether the oral law is valid. But I live by it because rabbinic Judaism has a near-monopoly. (Also, I don’t want to throw out the baby w/the bathwater. I like the Rambam, for instance). That is why I am an apikorus. However, I support the idea of a revealed Tanach, even while I think some of is allegorical and homeletical, rather than 100% historical. I am a man w/o a country, religiously speaking. So I look at the Ethiopians nostalgically.

  9. Lawrence M. Reisman

    “many of the syrians of brooklyn are the worse of the worse many having allowed themselves to be led by CH minim” Actually, very few. Just because Abraham Hecht was rabbi in Shaarei Zion doesn’t meant Chabad had a following.
    “i do not know of r’ feinstein giving in to them.” According to Rabbi Mordechai Maslaton, it occurred in a conversation between Reb Moshe and Rabbi Yosef Harari-Raful.
    “they also told r’ obadia yosef who tried to talk sense into them that it is none of his business.”
    As Reb Moshe once wrote in a very different context, certain issues are strictly the province of local rabbonim and out of towners should not intervene.
    “one ought not to be confused by their phoney PR, there is no real Torah behind it.” Sometimes, horaas hasha requires drastic and unusual measures. The Syrians arrived here between 1906 and the beginning of WWII. I dare you to come up with any other community, either Sephardic or Ashkenazic, that arrived during the same period of time that has kept itself Jewish as well.
    “they may be maqpidim on keitzad meassreen melach and ignoring the laws on gerut” they don’t ignore the laws on gerut. Gerim can and do receive aliyot in their shuls.
    “there is a ladino saying:” and very few Jews left speak Ladino. For that matter, very few of the descendants of Ladino-speaking Jews who came to the US have much of a Jewish identity any more.
    “with one hand they are busy kissing the mezuza, with the other they are busy stealing pita.
    there are legitimate issurim in judaism caused by mar-eet ayin.
    these guys do mitzvot asseh for mar-eet ayin.” I do believe that the Syrian reputation for dishonest business is an exagerated stereotype. In the meantime, thank you for deriding an entire community of Jews. Your ahavas Yisroel is impressive. By the way, Steven Birmingham, in “The Grandees” tells of the Sephardi grandmother whose grandchild is marrying a Tedesco (Ashkenazi) saying “at least he’s not black.”
    they will obey mitzvot only to be seen or to be recognised as moneyed and observant.
    they will wear a second pair of tefillin before learning derekh eretz.
    so much for the S.-money-Y.s farce of Brooklyn.

  10. Lawrence M. Reisman

    Remaining post, left out inadverently: “they will obey mitzvot only to be seen or to be recognised as moneyed and observant.
    they will wear a second pair of tefillin before learning derekh eretz. so much for the S.-money-Y.s farce of Brooklyn.” I have read a common complaint that when a (Spanish-derived) Sephardi boy went away to Yeshiva, he never returned to his community. When a Syrian boy went away, he almost always returned, and worked in his community. Oh well, you can stereotype Syrians as much as you want; at least they’re still around to stereotype. The Ladino speakers have pretty much assimilated out of Judaism when they haven’t Ashkenazified.

  11. Yochanan Lavie

    Some of Franji’s criticsims of the S-y’s are on target, but one shouldn’t generalize the entire community.

    A clarification: I am not a self-hating Ashkenazi. I appreciate the Yiddish language and its great writers. I appeciate Rashi. But Moshe Rabbenu did not wear the clothing of the 18th century anti-Semitic Polish nobility.

    “The Ladino speakers have pretty much assimilated out of Judaism when they haven’t Ashkenazified.”

    Indeed, the Satmars are trying to Askenazify Yemenite refugees. The rabbinate is trying to rabbinize the Ethiopians (who have their own traditions).

    I don’t want to fall into the “noble savage” fallacy, but the world is becoming more homgenized. That applies to the Jewish world, where black hat-ism has become the default Orthodoxy, and political liberalism has become the default non-Orthodoxy. I think the Jewish world is becoming a poorer place, culturally and religiously speaking.

  12. Lawrence M. Reisman

    “Some of Franji’s criticsims of the S-y’s are on target,” Far fewer than you give him credit for. “but one shouldn’t generalize the entire community.” agreed.

    “A clarification: I am not a self-hating Ashkenazi.” Nor am I. “I appreciate the Yiddish language and its great writers. I appeciate Rashi. But Moshe Rabbenu did not wear the clothing of the 18th century anti-Semitic Polish nobility.” Chasidim do not wear the clothing of 18th century Polish nobility. Such mode of dress was and is out of their means. The Chasidic mode of dress is what Jews wore in Poland, and it was uniquely Jewish. …

    “Indeed, the Satmars are trying to Askenazify Yemenite refugees.” By contrast, their are Syrian Jews in both Williamsburg and Monroe who are keeping to their minhagim, even as they “dress local.”

    “I don’t want to fall into the “noble savage” fallacy, but the world is becoming more homgenized. That applies to the Jewish world, where black hat-ism has become the default Orthodoxy, and political liberalism has become the default non-Orthodoxy. I think the Jewish world is becoming a poorer place, culturally and religiously speaking.” No doubt there. However, there is a unique “noble savage” fallacy that is being applied to the Sephardim, sometimes by Sephardim themselves, but more often by modern-Orthodox Yiddish-haters. The fallacy has little basis in truth, and tends to discourage real understanding.

  13. “Chasidim do not wear the clothing of
    18th century Polish nobility. Such mode of dress was and is out of
    their means. The Chasidic mode of dress is what Jews wore in Poland, and it was uniquely Jewish. …”

    Actually, hasidim do wear 18th century style clothing, both of Polish nobility and other surrounding nobilities. What they did was adopt the dress of “out of town” nobility, to be both noble looking and still different from local non-Jews.

  14. NoDemonstrations

    I have heard enough racist comments about the “abedin” (that’s Arabic for nigger – it also means “slave”)

    Abeedun, actually. Slave is what abeed means – cf Hebrew eved.

    And sadly, that is supposedly the ONLY Arabic word for black people. After all it is the Arabs who sold the African slaves to European landowners for work in the colonies!

  15. Franji

    that is supposedly the ONLY Arabic word for black people.

    actually, in in spoken syrian arabic, they could be called “aswad – black male; sawda- black female; sood- blacks in plural”.
    in classic arabic, blacks are zunuj – (zunjibar, is the arabic name of zanzibar land of the zunuj).
    The “nouveaux parvenus” of Ba’hssita however
    were never concerned much about litteracy.
    They figure most of the time though the black colour of a blouse or a handbag they are out to sell to call it aswad rather than ‘abd.

  16. NoDemonstrations

    Black PERSON = ‘abd = ‘abeed = slave! I’ll take your word for it that a handbag would be aswad.

    The “SY’s” picked up that slang from their Muslim neighbors and probably messed with the pronunciation a bit especially here in the US. It is not a Jewish expression; it comes from Arab slave traders.

    You want to sell an ‘abd handbag? What would that have in it? A ball and chain to keep the slave from running away?

    On the other hand, schvartz is just the color black in Yiddish – if I wrote “Nelson Mandela iz geven der ershter schvartz prezident fin Droim-Afrike” I might get laughed at for my grammar but schvartz would not raise an eyebrow. The racist overtones come if you are speaking Yinglish or especially if you are not usually someone who uses Yiddish words.

  17. Lawrence M. Reisman

    “After all it is the Arabs who sold the African slaves to European landowners for work in the colonies!”

    I have no brief for Arabs, but the only slave trade the Arabs were involved with was on the Indian Ocean, to the Arabian pennsinsula. The Europeans bought their Africans from Africans, who had no compunction about selling each other into slavery.

  18. The legal basis of chattel slavery in the American colonies was established by a black slaveowner.

    “Native” peoples everywhere on the globe waged wars, took slaves, and conquered land long before the first European nation state existed.

    There are noble savages. Just humans acting like humans.

    I pray to HaShem that the 10th of Av finds us as least as safe as on the 8th.

  19. yeshi-

    we have had it enough with you guys!! We suffer, we die and only us sacrifice for your political mishaps. Yet, you still call us names and blog rediculous and evil things on this web
    The only dirty, evil and parasite society that should be removed from israel is this kind of haredi, chabad and their followers. And don’t worry, there will be time for every single one of you Gestapos!

  20. yeshi-

    we have had it enough with you guys!! We suffer, we die and only us sacrifice for your political mishaps. Yet, you still call us names and blog rediculous and evil things on this web
    The only dirty, evil and parasite society that should be removed from israel is this kind of haredi, chabad and their followers. And don’t worry, there will be time for every single one of you Gestapos!

  21. Eric

    I am an American, and not Jewish, and stumbled onto this sight by accident. I understand about 75% of anything being said, But it all sounds rather venimous and hateful. Doesn’t God command his children in the Old Testament (pardon the non-Jewish phrasing) to be hospitable to strangers in your borders? Help me understand why this no longer applies.

  22. shalom

    What the Hell is this??? Many ethiopians are known to have contacts with the Holyland. I have seen a lot of ethiopians that look much like Middle Eastern people.

  23. wonderer

    If the Jews have lived in a land far as Spain, Maroc, or even India, Why is it extremely HARD for you guys to understand that jews also lived in Ethiopia(Abyssinia)?? JUST TELL ME WHY?? If you have read your Torah, how many times has Ethiopia been mentioned in the Torah?? Was Poland mentioned in the TORAH? if that’s not good enough reason for you why don’t you check your map? Is Ethiopia very far away from the Holyland??
    Let’s even leave aside the Ethiopian Jewish culture, the language, and the tribe; If you hoppocrits are so smart to question the jewishness of Ethiopians then just answer my questions above!

  24. Sheket!

    What’s wrong with you people??? Who do you think you are? On one side ashkenazim cry holocaust this, holocaust that and ask for sympathy and money and whatever all around the world… on the other hand some act like ashke-NAZIS…

    The Bete Israel of Ethiopia are Jews. And even the Christian and Muslim highlanders have ancient Israelite blood in their veins, unlike quite a few Ashkenazim who descend from peoples who have converted to judaism.
    Watch out and don’t make the wrath of G-d descend on you as it has already happened several times in history!

    Concerning the right of Ethiopian Jews to make an aliya… that’s a whole other question, because then the point of the legality of the state of Israel must be cleared first! and I’m not talking about international law or something… But about the Torah… and even the Talmudic tradition!

    May the G-d of Abraham and Yitzhak open your eyes and be merciful with you!

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