Chabad Rabbi: Jews Intermarry To Escape Hitler, Antisemitism

Chabad’s Rabbi Levi Brackman writes:

…Recently I had a conversation with a secular Israeli academic, who said to me that being Jewish is a genetic state and our common connection is the fact that Hitler would have gassed both of us. I find the notion that my identity is defined by Hitler rather offensive.

In fact, it arouses defiance in me. For the first time I realized why so many secular Jews in America choose not to marry Jewish. The more one dilutes the Jewish gene through intermarriage the less one is able to be defined by an evil man such as Hitler.

Separating Traditional Judaism from the
state of Israel would in essence transform Israel from a Jewish state
into a secular state defined by Hitler and run by Jews. Is this what
Jewish leaders in the Diaspora really want to see happen?

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.

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28 responses to “Chabad Rabbi: Jews Intermarry To Escape Hitler, Antisemitism

  1. Garnel Ironheart

    Being Jewish cannot be a genetic state what with the large number of converts over the millenia. In fact, the statement is somewhat backwards. While American Jews are busy intermarrying, Hitler’s definition is the one thing they cling to whenever someone questions their Jewishness. If you ever try to point out to a Reform convert or child of patrilineal descent who is not Jewish according to halachah, the inevitable retort is “Well, he’s Jewish enough for Hitler!”

  2. Minor Fast Days has an interesting response to Brackman’s thoughtless remarks.

  3. Why the Jews

    Joe Telushkin and Dennis Prages already made this same claim in their book “Why the Jews”.

  4. Jath

    brackman is doubtlessly an idiot.
    why, isn’t it funny that idolaters posing as jews of his type want to define judaism?

  5. Isa

    Jews intermarry because they don’t care. Being Jewish is of no interest. America is someplace where enough people are secular so having parents (or grandparents) that are Jewish doesn’t mean too much. My brother-in-law, years ago was at a Hillel house waiting for a ride and the rabbi asked him if he was Jewish “nope” was his reply. He later married a women he met in a foreign country, of course she wasn’t Jewish.

  6. Anonymous

    Being Jewish is not a genetic state because of converts? Are you claiming that converts are so discriminated against that “real” Jews won’t marry them? That’s the only way they can keep Jewish DNA out of their children’s heritage. Supposedly, converts marry into the Jewish family and their children or grandchildren should all have Jewish DNA. If “real” Jews won’t marry converts, then they’re disobeying Torah, which states plainly that converts have equal status with genetic Jews.

  7. Anonymous

    Jath: Jews intermarry because they aren’t interested in the lie that the orthodox rabbis have any God-given right to control who is Jewish or what Judaism is. Only someone who is incredibly uneducated believes that what modern ultra-orthodoxy is trying to pass off as Judaism bears any resemblance whatsoever to the lifestyles of the original 12 tribes or pre-medieval Jews. Ashkenazi Ultra Orthodox Judaism is a mixture of greek paganism (especially platonism) and mythology, catholocism and knee-jerk reactions against catholocism, and ignorant medieval superstitions. If you were doing things God’s way, then you wouldn’t have to try and claim that God’s literal promises of health, wealth and security were “spiritual” or for “later.” The fact is, you don’t have these promises because you don’t obey – you have made up your own Torah and try and pass it off as God’s. And of course, you also made up the “rules” so that only “you” are “real” Jews and only “you” have power. Again, your falsehoods, not God’s Torah. You have sinned against millions of Jews and God will hold you responsible for every soul driven away from God by your power-mongering.

  8. avrohom

    again this antisemitic comments from this antisemitic blog. People who hate judaism with a passion…people who could not vare less when jews intermarry; all they care is that jews observe the same judaism that was observed for thousands of years; while these jews destroyed their wish to intermingle with all goyim and live a goyishe life…you can’t stand that there are jews who will live you with the guilty councioussness that you are leaving judaism that was lived for thousands of years…for all the idolatrous pagans isms of secular empty life without any content and without clinging to ONE G-D.

    Scotty, stop all your garbage blogging and start writing about those who did not follow the Rebbe and still do not listen to him…when hundreds of jews died in the war at lebanon and now after all the false idolatrous promises by your idols they listen to these idols and instead of being strong against the terrroists they give in and have a ciy under siege for these kassams and do not do what any Germnay or Italy or \Russia anthe USA would do in similar circumstances…all we have for follwoing your false messiahs are kassams nasrallah waiting to be the prime minister of lebanon and you rosho would still talking about the charedim…you shtick chazer

  9. Yos

    Jews intermarry because love isn’t about maintaining a culture. Anyone who has lived among those dirty dirty goyim know that there’s not a great deal of difference. One of the few differences being that a Shiksa doesn’t come with materialistic frummy princess baggage.

    Still, I can’t say that I approve. I just don’t think it has to do with any nefarious self-hating motive, and that a rabbi would think such a thing is discouraging.

  10. ElishabenAvuya

    Anonymous, someone would have to be incredibly uneducated to believe what you just wrote. First off, you could argue that just because American law today doesn’t look like what the founding fathers of the constitution had originally written, then there’s no way that the American law could be correctly applied and enforced. The torah was written with provisions for the development of halacha, just like any legal system, and if you would actually research the process through which halacha was developed through the talmud and throughout history, you would see that it is a very precise, well guarded system that was transmitted by men who devoted their lives to its survival.
    You write, “Ashkenazi Ultra Orthodox Judaism is a mixture of greek paganism (especially platonism) and mythology, catholocism and knee-jerk reactions against catholocism, and ignorant medieval superstitions”
    I don’t know where you get off writing this. There may be platonism in judaism, most notably in the writings of the Rambam, but where do you get off saying there is greek paganism in Judaism? If you are referring to ideas of spirits, demons, and other supernatural beliefs, just look in the torah, and you will see that it refers to shaydim, demons, as well as all other matters of miracles and supernatural events. You say there is catholic influence in Ashkenazi Judaism. Well many groups of mizrahi and Sephardi Jewry, such as the Yemenites, lived under Moslem rule, and yet they have the same world view and beliefs in tzaddikim and kabbala as ashkenazim do, and you can’t argue that they were influenced by catholicism, or had a knee jerk reaction to it. If you read the talmud, you will find many of these ideas, developed in Babylonia by Jews who were not living under the rule of Christians.
    You write,”If you were doing things God’s way, then you wouldn’t have to try and claim that God’s literal promises of health, wealth and security were “spiritual” or for “later.” The fact is, you don’t have these promises because you don’t obey – you have made up your own Torah and try and pass it off as God’s.”
    Why don’t you tell that to Job, because that’s the same idea that his friends told him when calamity struck him, even though he was a very moral man who served G-d with all his being. Clearly things don’t always go perfectly well for people who do G-d’s will.
    As for “making up the torah”, if you just think about it logically, the torah is a few thousand years old, and for you to just open it and start interpreting it, you can’t be sure what the actual meaning of the text is. Who are you to decide what is literal and what is metaphorical? Rabbinic judaism, however, has a tradition going back to the talmud, and many rulings and interpretations of the Talmud are verified by Josephus. During and after the time of the destruction of the temple, Josephus wrote of Jewish ways of life and the Pharisaic rabbinic halacha that was followed by the majority of the people. From his writings it’s clear that these halachot and traditions had been around for a long time to be so firmly established among the Jewish population. The tradition was kept by the leaders of the Jewish world all the way back to Ezra, all the way back to the origins of the torah. I find many Jews try to claim the rabbis made up the oral torah, and that halacha is like one big game of telephone that must be wrong. If you actually put in the time to research how halacha works, you will find that this is not the case at all, and the process behind the development of halacha is very logical. It is the only interpretation of the torah that clearly goes back throughout the histroy of the jewish people, and it is this very same system that has kept the Jewish people and religion alive for all these years, against all odds.

  11. Dr Fred

    Elishaben: The sad reality is that the intent, by those whose vision was the re-creation of the world of 19th C Eastern Europe,is proving to be as much a failure as it was in pre-W1 Europe.Its product is too often one of arrogance and disdain for those Jews who think differently and who value an open mind.One might conclude however that, since the “Yeshiva world” was designed to be exclusive rather than inclusive, it is in that regard,a tragic success.

  12. Anonymous

    I don’t know where you get off writing this…

    I can write this because I have an actual degree from an actual university in philosophy, unlike you. But you’ve made it clear that you’re not interested in the truth – you just want to cling to the party line without knowing the truth. That’s fine, and I didn’t expect any different. You clearly can’t understand how silly you sound, because you’ve been indoctrinated by those with a motive for concealing the truth from you.

    BTW, Job was accused of hiding a sin by his companions, not of trying to pass off lies to his peers. Job’s test is, by it’s very nature, not typical of most people – as his companions noted over and over, God rewards real obedience and punishes disobedience. And in case you didn’t notice, he was given more kids, more wealth, and better health than ever after his ordeal – in this world, not some la-la spiritual realm. Nice try.

  13. Anonymous

    Actually anonymous, I have a degree from UC San Diego. And I am interested in the truth, and I’ve heard all the theories and other garbage that so called experts throw out about the origins of the bible. You however have not answered the points I made in my post, but resort to name calling instead. I read everything I can that cites evidence for and against orthodox Judaism, but it seems that most people who comment on this site have already made up their mind that the torah and rabbinic Judaism is wrong, without fully researching all the evidence in support of Orthodoxy.

    And you know what I meant when I gave the example of Job. My point was that Job lived a G-dly life and yet horrible things happened to him. And btw, Job’s companions were chastised by G-d for trying to explain away Job’s suffering, and misinterpreting G-d’s system of justice.
    Jeremiah is perhaps a better example of the suffering of the righteous. He devoted his life to bringing the Jewish people back to G-d and he suffered all along, experiencing little happiness or reward except that he wasn’t killed by the Babylonians. His ending was exile into Egypt among non-believing Jews who continually refused to heed his prophecy and admonishment. There are plenty of other examples of good innocent people in the torah who are killed or suffer for no apparent reason, such as Uriah, Jonathan, Naboth, etc.

  14. Garnel Ironheart

    First of all, I have no trouble with converts but if you know anything about genetics, converts introduce new DNA to the genetic pool. Jews cannot be a genetically defined race because they keep bringing in outside DNA. I have no problem with that, I was just stating the obvious. Secondly, you can look at external Jewish definitions in one of two ways.
    a) Jews are anyone Hitler would have defined as Jewish, hence the line “Well, he was Jewish enough for Hitler” when Reform Jews try to justify their pseudo-converts
    b) Jews are anyone who don’t believe in the Christian saviour but are also not memebers of another world religion like Islam or Buddhism. Because even the most Reformed Jew, one who doesn’t believe in G-d and keeps no mitzvos to the best of his ability will still proudly declare he doesn’t believe in JC!

  15. Jath

    “Jath: Jews intermarry …..”you” are “real” Jews and only “you” have power. Again, your falsehoods, not God’s Torah. …… for every soul driven away from God by your power-mongering.” ?!!!

    To:by: | Dec or something,
    i don’t know what you want from me, could be that you didn’t read my comment (?) or you don’t know english (?)

  16. Neo-Conservaguy

    “First of all, I have no trouble with converts but if you know anything about genetics, converts introduce new DNA to the genetic pool. Jews cannot be a genetically defined race because they keep bringing in outside DNA. I have no problem with that, I was just stating the obvious.”

    It’s a very good thing to bring in new DNA – a quick look at the results of multiple generations of inbred haredim should make that clear. It’s a darn good way to avoid Tay-Sachs or other genetic issues:

    http://www.jewishgeneticscenter.org/what/ashkenazi/

  17. Anonymous

    If you are referring to ideas of spirits, demons, and other supernatural beliefs, just look in the torah, and you will see that it refers to shaydim, demons, as well as all other matters of miracles and supernatural events…

    No, I’m referring to the entire false idea that people have an “immortal soul,” which extensive research has shown was never the original belief of Judaism. People are not angels. Angels are a separate race created immortal to begin with. Man was not. Judaism’s real teaching is death (the dead are dead and know nothing, their thoughts perish – tellihim) which is simply being dead, followed by a physical resurrection. There is no platonic garden-like paradise where souls hang out after they die. God did not permit Adam to eat from the tree of life precisely to prevent him from becoming immortal. The lies and myths made up about Adam by the Rabbinate to push their version of the platonic ascent is another example. Adam had the same type of nefesh as animals, and nothing more. Teachings to the contrary are all medieval superstition and garbage – it has nothing to do with real Judaism. Your example of Job was flawed because you clearly don’t understand it. God rebuked his friends NOT for saying God rewards and punishes the living – which he clearly does -but for accusing Job wrongly of sinning and not confessing it. God does test people sometimes but that’s not the point that You did not address – Job got his reward for passing the test IN THIS LIFE. That is an undeniable fact. And his statement that “in my flesh shall I see God” is clearly not referring to any la-la spirit paradise, he is referring to the bodily resurrection of Daniel and nothing else. People are animals with intellect – immortality is something you won’t get unless you earn it and until the resurrection. I recommend a book to you : Life after Death, by Dr. Alan Segal, which gives a clear picture of how hellenism and greek mythology CHANGED the beliefs of the Jews of the time. They adopted pagan beliefs, plain, simple, and demonstrable both archaeologically, historically and in the literature of the time. BTW, Josephus by his own admission was a hellenizer – that’s why he went over to the Romans during the war. And his texts have been edited by later redactors – both Jewish and Christian ones – so that any customs and interpretations he shows reflect the time of his editors, not his own time. This is also a fact.

    And, as you also admit, competent linguistic research shows that the first four books of Moses (and some other parts of the tanakh) are actually a conglomeration of two or more authors who spoke different dialects of paleo-hebrew. Deut and so on was later written in the babylonian hebrew dialect (probably by Ezra and/or Nehemia’s group) – a different language! This entire purpose of Deut was to claim the babylonian priesthood had sole authority as arbiters of Judaism, and that false idea has persisted to this day. Babylonian pagan beliefs became part of Judaism – the same as greek pagan beliefs were later incorporated.

    As for “knee jerk reactions to catholicism,” I refer specifically to the fact (yes, fact) that the Rabbis CHANGED the interpretation of the counting of the omer for the sole and express purpose of not celebrating shavu’ot on the same day as the roman church. God’s instructions are quite clear, that the counting of the omer has to start on the day after the regular weekly sabbath after passover and day 50 MUST ALSO be the day after shabbat – the first day of the week. But the Rabbis twisted God’s words so as to avoid lending any credence to the roman celebration.

    And so on and so on. The paleo-hebrew language and paleo-Judaism of the original 12 tribes is NOT what is being practiced today, and the fact that the ultra-orthodox of today are STILL in exile, and STILL not enjoying God’s promised blessings in the here and now proves your theology is wrong. God didn’t lie – you did.

  18. Nigritude Ultramarine

    If “real” Jews won’t marry converts, then they’re disobeying Torah, which states plainly that converts have equal status with genetic Jews.

    Well, I can think of at least one community that forbids the marrying of converts.

  19. I’m a Jewish woman in an interfaith relationship, and yes I’d marry my nonJewish boyfriend. Now if you want to know why Jews date nonJews, the reason is simple: why should I or any one else restrict their dating to just three percent of the population and in some areas a lot less?

    Dating is fun. Having a boyfriend is fun. Thoughts of marriage for me have always been secondary. I’m not sure parents can really pass on religion since I am more observant than either of my parents, and who knows if one is going to have children any way. Sorry if this is a blunt answer. It may be blunt but it’s on topic.

  20. Jath

    “Well, I can think of at least one community that forbids the marrying of converts.”

    oh, yea. the community of uneducated racist primates in flatbush. (and their deranged admirer -from a distance- adin steinsaltz).
    if they were the only jews, one is being better off converting out of the faith into outright savagery

  21. Lawrence M. Reisman

    EileenK has hit the nail on the head. Jews intermary because they don’t have any reason not to. Who we date, have relationships with, love, and marry are about the most personal decisions we make. If we don’t have personal reasons to “restrict their dating to just three percent of the population and in some areas a lot less” we simply are not going to do it.

  22. ElishabenAvuya

    Anonymous, what you have written is a perfect example of not doing enough research. The torah has a perfect case of the soul living on after death, with Saul going to the witch of Endor in the belief that she could call forth the spirit of Samuel. Clearly Saul’s belief and the belief of his generation was that the soul lived on. Saul had to decree harsh measures against those who contacted the dead because it became so widespread. Clearly people of the time believed the soul lived on. When Samuel’s soul was bought back, he told Saul of the future, something which he couldn’t have known if he was sleeping in the ground, waiting for resurrection, and he told Saul that “tomorrow, you and your children will be with me.”
    You say “The lies and myths made up about Adam by the Rabbinate to push their version of the platonic ascent is another example”
    If you researced more about Plato, you would see that he was very heavily infuluenced by the Pythagorean cult. Plato and Pythagoras both shared a “mystical approach to the soul and its place in the material world.” Hermippus of Smyrna, who lived around 200 B.C.E. wrote of Pythagoras’ “imitation of the doctrines of the Jews and the Thracians, which he transferred to his own philosophy. In fact, it is actually said that that great man introduced many points of Jewish law into his philosophy.” Much research has been done regarding Pythagoras’ teachings and how they were greatly influenced by the Jews. So who are you to say that the Jews were influenced by Greek paganism; the evidence points to the Greeks being influenced by Jewish teachings.
    You say that Josephus was edited by Christians and Jews? I have not learned of any period when Jews were in possession of Josephus’ manuscripts and would have been able to edit them. And it would be a waste of time for Christians to edit his description of the Pharisees to make it more in line with the talmud’s teachings being developed in Babylon.
    As for you description of the rabbis changing the counting of the omer so as not to coincide with the roman church’s celebration, you’re wrong again. This idea was described in the Mishna and occurred between the Rabbanim and the Boethusians whether the counting of Shavuot would begin the day after shabbat, or after the first day of Passover. It was decided way before there were any Christians.

  23. Anonymous

    The reason the witch of endor was surprised, shocked and screamed when God made Samuel appear to her was that normally, this did NOT occur. Most mediums and spiritualist work with demons who impersonate the dead – when she realized this was not her pet demon, she was astonished. Besides, your story proves the point, as the books of samuel date far after the original books of the torah and are written in the 2nd temple dialect (babylonian based hellenistic judaism). There’s not a single copy of any frament of samuel in the paleo-hebrew among the dead sea scrolls – indicating it is far later. The book of samuel did not exist prior to second temple time.

    Claiming that the arguements of who influenced whom between the greeks and the jews are spurious since the changes to judaism clearly post-date the greek mythology on which it is based. Just claiming pythagoras was influenced by judaism isn’t proof – especially since the “source” you cite is from the hellenistic period of judaism itself. When you can find a pre-hellenic jewish source for such an idea let me know – because you’ll be the first to find one. The greek myths pre-date any jewish literary sources for similar ideas by hundreds of years.

    So you believe that Josephus thought Jesus was the messiah? Because that’s what’s in the text. And the pharisees had every reason to edit the text – to push their views against the sola scriptura branchs of Judaism – same as they’re doing today.

    “This idea was described in the mishna…” which was written – when? In reality, after the destruction of the second temple. There are no copies of it in the dead sea scrolls, now are there?

  24. ElishabenAvuya

    Again, you are wrong. I find it interesting that you know how ancient Israelite witchcraft was performed. How do you know it worked primarily through a demon? According to Rashi, the witch was afraid because she realized it was Saul by the way Samuel came up. Either way, Saul believed it to be real, as did the many Israelites of the time who believed it too. The torah itself says that you shall not consult the dead, implying that it can be done, and the people believed it could be done. And just because there is no fragment of Samuel in the paleo-hebrew doesn’t conclusively prove anything. That entire biblical criticism field is full of theories and conjecture, and no solid proofs of anything.

    “changes to judaism clearly post-date the greek mythology on which it is based” How can you prove this? Just because we lack ancient Jewish texts, and Greek texts happen to survive, doesn’t mean that their ideas came first.

    “So you believe that Josephus thought Jesus was the messiah? Because that’s what’s in the text. And the pharisees had every reason to edit the text – to push their views against the sola scriptura branchs of Judaism – same as they’re doing today.”
    I readily admit that Christians changed the text of Josephus to say that he thought Jesus was the messiah. What I am asking you is, when would Pharasaic Jews ever have had access to Josephus’ manuscripts and have been able to edit them, when Josephus lived among Romans, was rejected by the Pharisees as a traitor, and his manuscripts passed from the Romans to the Church?

    Finally, regardless that the Mishna was written around 200 C.E., it still proves that the “knee jerk reaction” to christianity you described regarding counting the omer was totally wrong.

  25. Lawrence M. Reisman

    An anonymous poster writes “This idea was described in the mishna…” which was written – when? In reality, after the destruction of the second temple. There are no copies of it in the dead sea scrolls, now are there?” About 13 years ago, one of the dead sea scrolls was published for the first time. Called “Miktsas Maaseh Torah,” it was a polemic attacking the way in which sacrifices were being brought in the temple in Jerusalem. The description of the sacrificial practices was identical to what was set down in mishna 200+ years later. What made the scroll so interesting is that it authenticated the mishna’s recounting of events and by implication, the mishna’s version of history.

  26. “…it authenticated the mishna’s recounting of events and by implication, the mishna’s version of history. “

    No. just sacrificial procedure, something the Scrolls writers were very concerned with. Other finds in the Scrolls are less kind to rabbinic history.

  27. Anonymous

    Someone said “The torah itself says that you shall not consult the dead, implying that it can be done, and the people believed it could be done.”

    But it’s already been established that parts of the Torah were written/edited after the paleo period was long over – meaning that stuff could have been added far after the pagan beliefs had become widespread and accepted.

  28. ElishabenAvuya

    First of all, I dont agree that anything has been established regarding when the torah was written by these so called scolars. These same types of things were said about the book of Daniel They were sure that it was written around the time of the Macabbes around 167 BCE. When it was found amongst the dead sea scrolls, and the documents written by the Essenes-composed in their everyday language-was compared to the language in the book of Daniel, they realized that it was so different, that the book of Daniel had to have been written much earlier. These fools are playing a guessing game, and trying to look intelligent with their theories.
    Also, anything could have been edited from just about any ancient document that we use today to establish history. The point is to show proof of the soul living on and retaining consciousness after death, for those who try to argue there is no mention of it in the tanach.

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