KASHRUT ALERT!

The Kashruth Council of Canada, COR, wishes to advise that Eden Frozen Brocolli, made by S. Bertram Corp. with the production date of July 2006 (on the package) has been recalled by the company due to infestation.

That’s right, folks. That kosher, bug-free broccoli is infested with bugs (too small to be seen with the human eye) that now render this otherwise kosher vegetable "unkosher." Too bad we can’t recall our rabbis as easily as we reall our veggies.

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19 responses to “KASHRUT ALERT!

  1. shmuel

    Maybe they should have hired the kashering team which kashered the White House kitchen recently. Check out the White House’s official website to see who’s on it!

  2. shmuel

    Here’s the link:
    check pic for Laura Bush and the kashering team getting ready for Chanuka party at the White House…. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/12/images/20061218-13_p121806kh-0045-515h.html

  3. Schneur

    In the course of my reading I have come across a number of citations (the Menoirs of Mme Wengdorff) that indicate that Jewish women in East Europe also checked their veggies for bugs. And I think that is correct.
    The issue is the compulsivemness of the present day rabbinic authorities – no check is ever enough. Couple that with the profit motive that drives a lot of Contemporary Organized Orthodox Jewish life and you have Kosher Veggies.
    Why can’t the jewish housewife just check and rinse her veggies like her grandmother in Lithuania and thereby have less time to shop .

  4. Why can’t the jewish housewife just check and rinse her veggies like her grandmother in Lithuania and thereby have less time to shop .
    _____________________________________________

    Because that would be normal. Why should we act normal if we can act like fools?

  5. Moshe

    Who tells you that the bugs are too small to be seen by the naked eye?

  6. ben hakana

    on the subject of chabad, laura bush, what takes place and why.
    in chabad’s way, if they do it, no matter what kullos they adopt it’s kosher and kiddush hashem.
    when others do it, no matter what precautions are taken, it aint kosha, and chillul hashem to boot.
    r’ schneur you are wondering about lithuania, and i keep wondering how did maimonides, r’ yosef caro and even the chatam sofer, the alter rebbe, the chofetz chayim check lettuce or broccoli, surely they had no hydrophonics or magnifying lamps.
    the funniest part (comic if not tragic) is how filthy 100% glatt kosher restaurants under the cor supervision could be.
    but that does not matter, does it?
    no discernible specific prohibition of filth in holokhe!?
    Mo Man, sadly it’s not the urge to act like fools that drives them, often it’s wicked petty corruption.
    yishpot hashem what is being inflicted on congregants from excessive costs born by consumers, to turf protection racketeering behaviour at the expense of the kosher consumers….

  7. Nail Margo Too

    Hey Shmarya, I don’t know if you’re just an ignoramous or an Apikorsishe malcontent, but your comment here about bugs is just absurd.

    If I remember correctly, you quote a pro-Falasha statement of R’ Moishe Feinstein to back up your agenda as Goodwill Ambassador. If you wouldn’t pick & choose whatever teshuvos you feel like, you couldn’t ignore R’ Moishe’s psak, not disputed by any other posek that even insects barely visible to the naked eye, and that are only discernable under a microscope are still prohibited.

    It would seem that the insects in broccoli – which are entirely visible to the human eye – are contributing to your timtum halev.

    Nebich.

  8. Nigritude Ultramarine

    Crud! I have a bag of it in my freezer with a production date of July 11, 2006.

    I usually check my own broccoli, but my wife just bought this with the idea of saving me some work.

    Rats.

  9. Bad news, Bozo.

    1. No one is obligated to follow each pesak of any given posek unless, a) He is your rav or, b) you asked those shaylot, or c) No one argues on him.

    2. 100 years ago (even 30 years ago) people checked broccoli by rinsing it off, perhaps soaking it for a few minutes in water, looking at it with their naked eyes, and then eating it. Now, the “infested” broccoli – which in today’s rabbinic parlance means 3 bugs in a given batch visable through magnification – is banned because of humrot.

    3. If you can’t see it with your naked eyes – and by this, I don’t mean 20-20 vision, I mean 20-60 vision, needs reading glasses but isn’t wearing them, the standard of 50 years ago – the bugs don’t matter al pi halakha.

    Go rinse yourself.

  10. Isa

    This whole thing is meant to gives parasites who spend years in yeshiva a job checking for bugs, making kosher cheese when today renet isn’t even animal based etc, etc and etc. Oh yeah, checking for pig milk in cow milk when the USDA does a FAR better job of it.
    I need to explain: today pigs are fed food laced with penilcilian, milk cows CANNOT have Penilcilian. Any penilcilian in the feed will cause penilcilian to be in the milk. But if it did happen, people would die massively because alot of folks are alergic to penilcilian. Penilcian in milk is actively screened for.
    Why still do it? the real reason is yeshiva parasites who cannot even turn a screwdriver, the right way, needs jobs.

  11. Anonymous

    Isa, do you have a job?

  12. Isa

    Sure do No Name. I am a healer. I fix sick machines. [Field Service Engineer]. The reason I know about the pig milk issue is that years ago I had a customer that taught Food Science at the Univ of MN. I have been in nuclear power generating plants as well as coal, hospitals, clinics, food manufacturing, Even a US Army helicpter repair depot. I have been in more different places than people even know of and I ask questions. But don’t ask me to fix your car cause todays cars have more computing power than what went to the moon. Heck I have even been in slaughter houses.For the young of you may I suggest a technical college, these places teach a real skill. I have degrees in two Tech colleges, electronics back in late 60’s and computers science in 2003 as well as two years of Electrical Engineering at the Univ of MN.

  13. What’s the name of the Galilean Rabbi who said: “The food that you put into your mouth doesn’t make you unclean… The bad words that come out of your mouth are what make you unclean.”
    ?

  14. Nail Margo Too

    Shmarya,

    Who issued the psak regarding bugs in broccoli that you follow?

    Rabbi Gissinger in Lakewood started the contemporary bug revolution after he did extensive study on California plantations with the assistance of USDA agents. It just so happens R’ Yaakov Kaminetzky was angry at him because there is no chiyuv to find new problems, but R’ Yaakov said once the problems are discovered, they are prohibited.

    The other rabbonim may have also given their reluctant approval, but every posek of note signed a letter backing Gissinger’s findings about 20 years ago.

    Decades ago there was another discovery, that ships transporting kosher oil had cross-contamination from treif onboard. R’ Moishe said that although there is a klal that the entire nation of Israel will not stumble in sin, this is still a problem that needs rectification.

    The only posek on record as going easy on bugs is Rabbi Heinemann who is criticized by other rabbonim as getting carried away with the see no evil klal.

    The bottom line is that run of the mill or Heinemann sanctioned broccoli is still clearly bug infested, so go ahead and ingest the creepy crawler protein at your own peril.

  15. The oil cross contamination would have been laughed out of any beis midrash 500 years ago. It’s only a problem because of recent halakhic decisions regarding keylim.

    As for the bugs, if the broccoli is washed (the frozen stuff is pwer washed several times and dunked in a water bath), and if you do not see any bugs with a normal, naked eye insepction, you’ve got nothing to worry about.

    And the whole issue comes down to a bizarre rabbinic law called din baria, that posits that a whole bug – no matter how small – can never be battel. (Bug pieces, no matter how large or how much of the whole bug it comprises, can be battel.) So, by way of example, you have three pieces of unmarked meat in your house. One is treife, two are kosher, you can’t tell them apart. Each piece weighs 15–20 pounds. One piece is in your attic, one in the basement and one in the kitchen. What’s the din? Rov. They’re all now presumed kosher and you must eat all three.

    So, you make a cholent with all three pieces of meat and a few potaoes and carrots. Just as you are about to serve the cholent, a gnat falls into the pot and you cannot find it to remove it and the mixture is too thick to be strained. Now what? The standard din is to presume the entire giant pot of cholent to be treife. You can “save it” by removing chuncks of meat, etc, and rinsing them off to make sure the gnat isn’t there.

    So here’s what you have: A gnat which weighs a fraction of an ounce treifes 45 ponds of cholent, cholent itself made with 15 pounds of treife meat, and which would otherwise, sans gnat, be not only kosher but be mandatory to eat.

    Now, tell me again about your bugs?

  16. C-Girl

    Oh, great, Now I have to check my cholent for gnats…

  17. Nigritude Ultramarine

    Oh, great, Now I have to check my cholent for gnats…

    Even better, get a microscope and check for mites.

  18. Noclue

    I do not know what psak Nail Margo Too is talking about. I recently asked a well known posek who was a Talmud of R’ Moshe for many years and (the Posek) told me that all you have to is wash the vegetables thoroughly and make a normal search with normal eyesight and that if you did not find any bugs that was sufficient.

    I am not using the posek’s name because he did not authorize me to repeat his psak in this forum, but I can assure you that I deliberately pressed him on this matter and he repeated his psak and said that R. Moshe was against doing anything else because, among other things, it was motze laz on rishonim (implicitly condemning our forebearers who did not act in a stricter manner).

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